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Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders in New York

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Re: Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders in New York

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Seems like a lot of effort to keep asocial drivers on the road. Why not just take their drivers license? Then move on to prison time if they keep driving.

Because unfortunately in the US, the ability to drive is required to get to work. Transit options are non-existent in most of the rural areas.

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Seems like a lot of effort to keep asocial drivers on the road. Why not just take their drivers license? Then move on to prison time if they keep driving.

I agree, except for the prison time part: NYC’s prisons are more or less torture sites[1], and we really don’t need to send more people to be tortured. Driving a car is a privilege that can and should be rescinded, especially in a city where so many alternatives exist. [1]: https://apnews.com/article/rikers-island-new-york-city-006c6...

Outside of major cities, driving really is a necessity. Revoking someone’s license is effectively revoking their right to work and all that comes with it (shelter, food, healthcare, etc). Of course, that should make people think twice about the crime, and it probably deters a fair few people from reckless driving, but for the remainder it just makes them unproductive citizens with little to lose.

We should probably either consider driving to be a bit more than a revocable privilege or improve alternative transport options (or consider right to food, shelter, and healthcare human rights).

Re: Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders in New York

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For six tickets in a year?! Just take away their license.

If they have that much disregard for the law, do you think losing their license will keep them off the road? Doubtful.

Then put them in jail for driving without a license.

Re: Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders in New York

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Or 11 points, which is basically going 25 mph over twice in 18 months.

25mph over is bonkers. Doing that twice in a one and a half year should definitely have heavy consequences.

You're probably thinking 50 in a 25 zone, which is indeed crazy. But 80 on a 55 stretch in the middle of nowhere is not at all unusual in a lot of places.

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This is not technically possible… vehicles differ enough that it would require a one off engineered solution for each individual vehicle. Especially older mechanically injected diesels or carburetor gasoline engines which have no electronic engine controls- a a speed limiting device would need to mechanically intercept the throttle linkage, which is designed and attached differently on every vehicle. Moreover, GPS te…

Then these vehicles will be banned as not compatible to the new law.

You can’t ban older grandfathered in vehicles in the USA. It’s even still legal to drive ancient vehicles without turn signals or tail lights as long as the vehicle was sold new like that. Even in California, the best they’ve been able to do is a voluntary buyback program to get old high emissions vehicles off the roads.

Re: Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders in New York

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Then what do you do if they keep driving after you take the licence?

Impound their vehicle?

Personally, I think that would be a reasonable response, but there might be problems in practice. The driver may well not be the owner, or will lose their job and that will put their family on welfare... One can reasonably say "you should have thought of that", but in practice, the courts seem reluctant to act in such cases.

Re: Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders in New York

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Seems like a lot of effort to keep asocial drivers on the road. Why not just take their drivers license? Then move on to prison time if they keep driving.

Taking the driver’s license should happen already through the points system (3+ points upon conviction for red light or speeding; 11 points in 18 months to license suspension)[0], but perhaps it’s not enough?

I looked up the license plate of a car that hit me and saw 18 speeding violations, 4 school bus violations, 1 red light violations over the past six years. In the year before it hit me, there were 8 speeding violations. [1]

[0] https://dmv.ny.gov/tickets/about-nys-driver-point-system

[1] https://www.howsmydrivingny.nyc/

Re: Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders in New York

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they have that much disregard for the law, do you think losing their license will keep them off the road? Doubtful.

Then put them in jail for driving without a license.

Is it that simple, though? Taking someone who's already crime-prone then sending them off to graduate school for criminals rarely leaves society with a better person when they get out.

I'm not saying, at all, that we should let them run amok. But at the same time, the US has a ridiculous incarceration rate as it is, and it's not like we've created a utopia by doing that.

Re: Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders in New York

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There is already a point system to take away their license. Why not enforce the existing regulation? Also, the US system of traffic fines is a joke. A $250 fine for someone making minimum wage is going to hurt a huge amount, but that same fine is going to be meaningless to someone making $100,000/yr. Fines should be based on a percentage of gross yearly income.

Re: Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders in New York

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Seems like a lot of effort to keep asocial drivers on the road. Why not just take their drivers license? Then move on to prison time if they keep driving.

I agree, except for the prison time part: NYC’s prisons are more or less torture sites[1], and we really don’t need to send more people to be tortured. Driving a car is a privilege that can and should be rescinded, especially in a city where so many alternatives exist. [1]: https://apnews.com/article/rikers-island-new-york-city-006c6...

  ...especially in a city where so many alternatives exist.
For what it's worth, this proposal affects the state, not the city. The state with regions where it's not abnormal to get 6+ feet of snow per year.

I don't disagree with the sentiment, just pointing out that it's a bit more complex than telling people to use alternate transportation.

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