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Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders in New York

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Re: Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders in New York

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Post by NoZebra120vClip »

bluGill wrote: post #16
edgyquant wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speeding in a normal car means you may get pulled over and that will increase the time getting there.

If it is really an emergency you should have already called 911. Maybe the dispatcher says drive as fast as you can cause we cannot get an ambulance to you - but in that case you stay on the phone. The dispatcher talking to you is also on radio with police and the flashing lights are your escort as the dispatcher will tell you. But the above is something that I doubt will actually happen - ambulances are generally cl…

Roads are engineered for a particular speed and flow of traffic. If you exceed the design limits of the road, you may feel very unsafe and be quite inclined to slow down again. This applies even to large, wide, noticeable emergency vehicles. Residential streets often participate in noticeable "traffic calming" measures, like roundabouts, speed humps, wasp waist narrowing, landscaping and trees, signage, etc.

Most of the time when I see emergency vehicles plowing down the street, they are pretty much going at the limit, but they look faster, because all the traffic signals favor them, and all the other motorists have pulled out of the way. But a fire truck has still gotta slow down or stop at a busy intersection or just a turn. Pedestrians are a thing. And scooters, and cyclists wearing headphones...

Re: Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders in New York

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Post by mannykannot »

logicalmonster wrote: post #23

Not a huge fan of this. The really dangerous drivers in New York aren't dangerous because they're speeding. They're really dangerous because they weave in and out of tightly packed traffic trying to find a minuscule gap to wedge themselves into to try and go around everybody. If anything, being unable to go fast is going to psychologically compel impatient people to take even more risks to make up for time they'll be…

These are indeed significant problems, but on urban streets, speed, in itself, is a significant risk multiplier.

Re: Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders in New York

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Post by zeteo »

tokai wrote: post #3

Seems like a lot of effort to keep asocial drivers on the road. Why not just take their drivers license? Then move on to prison time if they keep driving.

Yes and while you're at it why not make all prison sentences for life?! That would definitely keep even more asocial people off a lot of roads...

But seriously, what happened to that quaint old concept that "the punishment should fit the crime"? In a country where public transport sucks, losing your driver's license is a rather small step up from house arrest.

And 11 points in NY, which is how most people would run afoul of this wonderful new law, is not at all hard to get. Heck, I once got 6 points in upstate NY because the cop was waiting at the bottom of a steep hill in the middle of nowhere. Fortunately he didn't find anything improper about me using my phone for GPS, or I would have hit 11 points instantly.

Re: Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders in New York

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Post by AlgorithmicTime »

throw__away7391 wrote: post #9

I’m on board. And while we are on the subject how about restricting the horn from working inside city limits. I have had the idea for a while that your car horn could be programmed to just get quieter and quieter the more you use it, perhaps gradually shifting pitch to sound a bit silly as well.

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Re: Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders in New York

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Post by damnesian »

kotaKat wrote: post #30
tokai wrote: post #3

Seems like a lot of effort to keep asocial drivers on the road. Why not just take their drivers license? Then move on to prison time if they keep driving.

I actually researched VTL penalties; speeding under 10 MPH over is a $45 minimum to $150 maximum fine (before the ~$85 surcharge) and/or up to 15 days imprisonment, anything 11+ can be up to 30 days. It's gonna be unpopular, but maybe they need to see a couple days on a weekend behind bars as a sobering reminder.

>maybe they need to see a couple days on a weekend behind bars as a sobering reminder

Anything I say that resembles stats would be made up, but just from my own anecdotal experience (being arrested and fingerprinted for failing to appear in traffic court, and friends spending the night in the drunk tank), I'd say this is exactly the wake-up call that most offenders would need to stop it.

The remainder are likely serious addicts or psychopaths who need medical intervention.

Re: Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders in New York

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Post by _yb2s »

This is not technically possible… vehicles differ enough that it would require a one off engineered solution for each individual vehicle. Especially older mechanically injected diesels or carburetor gasoline engines which have no electronic engine controls- a a speed limiting device would need to mechanically intercept the throttle linkage, which is designed and attached differently on every vehicle.

Moreover, GPS technology and mapping metadata aren’t accurate enough to reliably tell which road a car is on, or what the speed limit actually is. I use google maps to show the speed limit while I’m driving and it’s frequently wrong. Imagine if they are on a freeway but it pegs them as being on a parallel frontage road with a speed limit 45mph lower? That would be a major hazard.

Re: Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders in New York

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Post by mannykannot »

woodruffw wrote: post #28
mannykannot wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your modification of tokai's suggestion reverts it to what we have now, and that is not working very well.

Not really. Take away their license, impound their vehicle if they continue to drive it, and then sell it to pay their fines if they fail to do so.

Yes, really, with respect to your original post. You have just added vehicle impounding as an alternative measure to fix it.

Re: Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders in New York

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Post by zeteo »

pjc50 wrote: post #5
tokai wrote: post #3

Seems like a lot of effort to keep asocial drivers on the road. Why not just take their drivers license? Then move on to prison time if they keep driving.

> six speeding tickets and red-light camera violations, or four speed camera or red-light violations, in a year That does sound like people who are completely oblivious to the law.

Or 11 points, which is basically going 25 mph over twice in 18 months.

Re: Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders in New York

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Post by NoZebra120vClip »

Let's laser focus on one single thing, and let's solve it by enshrining into the law that the aftermarket auto device industry gets a cut for every incident. Perhaps NY can land a sponsorship from Ford, and mandate which make and model of vehicle the "offender" must purchase, you know, for compatibility.

/s

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