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Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders in New York

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Re: Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders in New York

#21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, except for the prison time part: NYC’s prisons are more or less torture sites[1], and we really don’t need to send more people to be tortured. Driving a car is a privilege that can and should be rescinded, especially in a city where so many alternatives exist. [1]: https://apnews.com/article/rikers-island-new-york-city-006c6...

Then what do you do if they keep driving after you take the licence?

Impound their vehicle?

Re: Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders in New York

#22
post #3

Seems like a lot of effort to keep asocial drivers on the road. Why not just take their drivers license? Then move on to prison time if they keep driving.

I agree, except for the prison time part: NYC’s prisons are more or less torture sites[1], and we really don’t need to send more people to be tortured. Driving a car is a privilege that can and should be rescinded, especially in a city where so many alternatives exist. [1]: https://apnews.com/article/rikers-island-new-york-city-006c6...

Your modification of tokai's suggestion reverts it to what we have now, and that is not working very well.

Re: Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders in New York

#23
Not a huge fan of this.

The really dangerous drivers in New York aren't dangerous because they're speeding.

They're really dangerous because they weave in and out of tightly packed traffic trying to find a minuscule gap to wedge themselves into to try and go around everybody.

If anything, being unable to go fast is going to psychologically compel impatient people to take even more risks to make up for time they'll be perceiving themselves as losing due to being limited in speed. Additionally, limiting their car's speed is going to make this process even more dangerous for bystanders because they're not going to have the power available to actually perform these maneuvers.

If you want to focus on public safety, figure out a way to get slow-pokes out of the passing lane who camp there next to a truck for an hour and clump up traffic, and get cops to focus on drivers who wildly weave from lane to lane with no signals.

Re: Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders in New York

#24

I’m on board. And while we are on the subject how about restricting the horn from working inside city limits. I have had the idea for a while that your car horn could be programmed to just get quieter and quieter the more you use it, perhaps gradually shifting pitch to sound a bit silly as well.

I often wish vehicles were equipped with a regular horn and a "polite" horn. As in "don't mean to be a bother, but the light is green now. Whenever you're done checking your phone is fine."

Re: Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders in New York

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

not everyone who is rushed to the emergency room arrives in an ambulance.

The US has no concept of “speeding in an emergency” for ordinary drivers. It’s illegal regardless: we allow emergency services to speed because they’re (nominally) qualified to. And note: we’re talking about a city with extraordinary EMS and urgent care density. I don’t buy the argument that we need to allow repeat offenders on the road regardless, but especially not in NYC.

I think this applies in most of the civilized world. Even Ambulance and Firefighters have to prove they were in a mission that required the speed. It is not a card to do whatever you want with the vehicle

Re: Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders in New York

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then what do you do if they keep driving after you take the licence?

Impound their vehicle?

that's a start but you might need to impound their money too if they keep using it to buy replacements

Re: Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders in New York

#27

That seems dangerous in an emergency situation and technically complicated to implement. They should fine people proportionately to their wealth instead like in Germany.

Germany the fines do not depend on income. Are fixed. AFAIK this is in Switzerland, for local citizens.

Re: Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders in New York

#28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, except for the prison time part: NYC’s prisons are more or less torture sites[1], and we really don’t need to send more people to be tortured. Driving a car is a privilege that can and should be rescinded, especially in a city where so many alternatives exist. [1]: https://apnews.com/article/rikers-island-new-york-city-006c6...

Your modification of tokai's suggestion reverts it to what we have now, and that is not working very well.

Not really. Take away their license, impound their vehicle if they continue to drive it, and then sell it to pay their fines if they fail to do so.

Re: Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders in New York

#29
post #3

Seems like a lot of effort to keep asocial drivers on the road. Why not just take their drivers license? Then move on to prison time if they keep driving.

I agree, except for the prison time part: NYC’s prisons are more or less torture sites[1], and we really don’t need to send more people to be tortured. Driving a car is a privilege that can and should be rescinded, especially in a city where so many alternatives exist. [1]: https://apnews.com/article/rikers-island-new-york-city-006c6...

Sounds like a good argument for prison reforms, not making dangerous driving a consequence free crime.

Re: Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders in New York

#30
post #3

Seems like a lot of effort to keep asocial drivers on the road. Why not just take their drivers license? Then move on to prison time if they keep driving.

I actually researched VTL penalties; speeding under 10 MPH over is a $45 minimum to $150 maximum fine (before the ~$85 surcharge) and/or up to 15 days imprisonment, anything 11+ can be up to 30 days.

It's gonna be unpopular, but maybe they need to see a couple days on a weekend behind bars as a sobering reminder.

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