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Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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Post by rjbwork »

fennecfoxy wrote: post #269
Aaargh20318 wrote: post #160

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> 48 hours will not even ding reddit. I don't think the direct losses of the 48 outage will be what matters here. Rumors are that Reddit wants to IPO later this year. This blackout will put the spotlight on two issues: - Reddit is extremely dependent on the goodwill of the community, especially the moderators who provide an essential service for free. - Reddit is out of touch with its own community, and keeps pissing…

Lmao, maybe certain groups of people can boycott stuff, but human beings in general sure can't. I'm pretty sure the average/more casual Reddit user either: doesn't use 3rd party apps, or doesn't care and will just use the official one. It's Twitter all over again "omg everyone will leave it now that Elon's in charge". Yeah, that hasn't happened. At. All. Now, knowing how us fleshy meatbags work, you're probably think…

While you're not wrong, I think it's that certain group of people that matters. They're the most engaged, and if you think that group follows the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1%25_rule then that's really all that matters, since they're the ones creating the content that the lurkers consume and go to the network for.

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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Post by phaistra »

kellops wrote: post #147
treme wrote: post #138

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economics just don't work for professional mods atm. keep in mind YC is worth 100B+

Reddit already has professional mods who deal with reported content, across all subreddits, in the following prohibited categories: > Harassment > Threatening violence > Hate > Sexualization of minors > Sharing personal information > Non-consensual intimate media > Prohibited transaction > Impersonation > Copyright violation > Trademark violation > Self-harm or suicide > Spam Those moderators aren't doing their work…

> Those moderators aren't doing their work for free, so why should anyone else?

Because they actively volunteer to do so.

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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Post by sellyme »

jacquesm wrote: post #258
dimmke wrote: post #231

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There are already reports of some large subreddits shutting down permanently, such as programming humor. The idea that this action can’t possibly hurt Reddit I keep seeing is amazing to me. It absolutely will hurt Reddit. Even if it’s not an existential blow. Reddit took a long time to get to where it is. Simply saying it can absorb all this like it’s nothing is myopic. And FWIW, I’m glad most people aren’t as cynica…

What stops the reddit admins from re-enabling 'programming humor' and to solicit one or more new moderators?

The general unwillingness of people to do unpaid labour for a website that is actively working against them.

It's difficult enough to find anyone willing to actually put the hard yards in to moderation as it is, let alone when all of the resources and tools currently at moderator disposal get shut down.

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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Post by jacquesm »

sellyme wrote: post #273
jacquesm wrote: post #258

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What stops the reddit admins from re-enabling 'programming humor' and to solicit one or more new moderators?

The general unwillingness of people to do unpaid labour for a website that is actively working against them. It's difficult enough to find anyone willing to actually put the hard yards in to moderation as it is, let alone when all of the resources and tools currently at moderator disposal get shut down.

Power is its own reward.

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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Post by jacquesm »

joelthelion wrote: post #270
wraptile wrote: post #178

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> 48 hours will not even ding reddit. I feel like 48 hour long outage for a social media website is huge. That's 2 days for people to look around at alternatives. Remember when google plus launches FB argued that they had zero hours to lose and they were kinda right.

> That's 2 days for people to look around at alternatives I don't think that's enough to lose a ten+ year habit of checking Reddit. A week or more, maybe. 2 days, I don't think.

There is this movie called 'The Truman Show', the ending is what comes to mind here.

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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Post by riffraff »

dimmke wrote: post #263
jacquesm wrote: post #258

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What stops the reddit admins from re-enabling 'programming humor' and to solicit one or more new moderators?

Nothing, but it would result in even more backlash. I could see them doing this for the most popular subreddits like r/videos, but if you start doing this for even medium sized subreddits it’s going to have even more severe consequences. People aren’t stupid, and they aren’t as docile as you think. These theoretical questions to me are the equivalent of “Why didn’t the US just kill every person they encountered in Vi…

> People aren’t stupid, and they aren’t as docile as you think.

People have a very short attention span and a very low level of commitment if they're not directly impacted. Remember the outrage about Musk on Twitter? It's all but died down. Or the various attempts to create some alt-right social networks.

People don't have an obvious other place to go, and the majority of the community of /r/whatever will just go to /r/whatever-else.

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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Post by FatherPaulStone »

whatatita wrote: post #56
cubefox wrote: post #36

Imagine there was a free or quasi-free API for Facebook. Facebook would lose large amounts of money on content because they can no longer monetize it with ads.

There's no issue with a non-free API, the issue is the pricing they've decided on and the timescale they've given to adopt it. 30 days notice isn't long enough to adopt a new pricing strategy, especially one so unreasonably priced.

Almost as if it's been designed that way.

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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Post by sellyme »

jacquesm wrote: post #274
sellyme wrote: post #273

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The general unwillingness of people to do unpaid labour for a website that is actively working against them. It's difficult enough to find anyone willing to actually put the hard yards in to moderation as it is, let alone when all of the resources and tools currently at moderator disposal get shut down.

Power is its own reward.

Evidently not, since that's already a motivation that isn't sufficient to get enough people actually doing the work - and if anything, Reddit taking the step of unilaterally usurping community leaders for not being profitable enough would only reduce the perceived power of a moderator position.

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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Post by gymbeaux »

sterlind wrote: post #43
gymbeaux wrote: post #24

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It’s incredibly frustrating when you take the time to write something out- something that benefits others and does nothing for you, like sharing your experience or knowledge- only to have the comment removed for one bullshit reason or another. I have never written hate speech or anything racist or in that vein on Reddit, yet I’ve been censored and banned so many times by what I can only assume are children (or childr…

I'm glad your mental health is better, but you come across as an unreliable narrator. I very rarely have my comments removed, and when it has happened, it's never because I posted interesting facts about Cavendish bananas or how VLIW is underrated - it's at least a little controversial or rubs people the wrong way. The problem with downvotes is brigading (trolls overrun your community), and people have to get exposed…

I don't mean to brush Reddit with broad strokes, but I have to insist mine is a common experience. It is almost certainly true that if you stick to a few "sophisticated" subreddits and comment conservatively (both in frequency and in content), you'll rarely or never encounter the toxic traits of Reddit.
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