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Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

that_guy_iain wrote: post #48
fernandotakai wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what puzzles me the most is that reddit's reasoning for charging money for their API is that "it's bad that other people are profiting from our work and it's too expensive to maintain without someone paying it". hey, guess what? reddit "profits" a LOT from unpaid work from their moderators. if you wanna charge for API access, you should also pay your moderators since you are profiting from their work.

Reddit isn’t profitable therefore technically it doesn’t profit from anything.

Do you reckon their C-suite are not waged? (What revenue are they working with?)

This is a common issue with discussion of companies, people say "look they're not making any money" just because the company accounts are not recording profits.

But if you pay out all your money as C-suite wages (for example) then you have "no profits" as a company but people are certainly profiting.

Another angle is political steer; you can make profit outside the company, or make social change, and so forego intrinsic profit.

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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Post by impactt »

dataengineer56 wrote: post #92
zarzavat wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because that’s how Reddit is designed, and that’s how forums worked before Reddit. If you don’t like the way a subreddit is run then you can make another one, and if you are sufficiently better then people will switch. Reddit isn’t stack exchange. It’s more like running an open source project. The problem is that there’s this hostile corporation that sometimes tries to kill their own product every few years overseein…

> If you don’t like the way a subreddit is run then you can make another one, and if you are sufficiently better then people will switch That's much easier said than done - say you don't like the moderation or content of /r/gaming, how are you going to spread the word about your new subreddit? It won't have as good a name as /r/gaming, it's not a default sub so it's more difficult to find, and you might find that men…

People did make a new gaming subreddit when they didn’t like r/gaming, it’s called r/games.

There’s also r/gamingnews.

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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Post by kellops »

I'm just appalled that these people continue to provide free labour to Reddit and that Reddit encourages this arrangement.

The "dang" model where the moderators get paid a salary for their work seems the only reasonable and fair way to go.

Having mods work for free is effectively a form of psychological abuse, taking advantage of people's social media addiction for corporate benefit.

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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Post by circuit10 »

yunruse wrote: post #104
commitpizza wrote: post #49

[flagged]

I've also been using PowerDeleteSuite[0] to delete all submissions and comments, as deleting your account will not delete posts, just change the user to [deleted]. [0] https://github.com/j0be/PowerDeleteSuite/

I get that you want to protest but I don’t like the idea of destroying information permanently that might not be available elsewhere, it’s really frustrating when you find a comment that seemed to give you the solution to the problem exact problem you have but it got deleted. Is there a less destructive way to do this?

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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Post by nbadg »

thinkingemote wrote: post #83
fernandotakai wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what puzzles me the most is that reddit's reasoning for charging money for their API is that "it's bad that other people are profiting from our work and it's too expensive to maintain without someone paying it". hey, guess what? reddit "profits" a LOT from unpaid work from their moderators. if you wanna charge for API access, you should also pay your moderators since you are profiting from their work.

Another thing is that many moderators are paid but by other companies and PR firms. Reddit doesn't see any of it. A lot of the content on Reddit is promotion and semi-hidden forms of advertising. Again Reddit doesn't see any of this spend. In both cases Reddit is paying other companies for using their platform for making money. Why would a corporation pay hundreds of thousands for ads when they could spend tens of th…

I agree that there is a lot of commercial use of reddit that reddit fails to monetize. I have no idea how much of that is moderation, but it doesn't really matter: restricting API usage is the wrong way to solve this problem Instead, the easy fix is to update the standard ToS to be non-commercial use only and introduce paid plans for commercial use. I'm pretty confident that would be way more lucrative than advertising anyways.

Optionally, follow up with a badge or something that tags all content from commercial accounts as such, and allow users and mods to report commercial content that doesn't have such a badge.

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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Post by antupis »

thinkingemote wrote: post #83
fernandotakai wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what puzzles me the most is that reddit's reasoning for charging money for their API is that "it's bad that other people are profiting from our work and it's too expensive to maintain without someone paying it". hey, guess what? reddit "profits" a LOT from unpaid work from their moderators. if you wanna charge for API access, you should also pay your moderators since you are profiting from their work.

Another thing is that many moderators are paid but by other companies and PR firms. Reddit doesn't see any of it. A lot of the content on Reddit is promotion and semi-hidden forms of advertising. Again Reddit doesn't see any of this spend. In both cases Reddit is paying other companies for using their platform for making money. Why would a corporation pay hundreds of thousands for ads when they could spend tens of th…

Is there list what subreddits are probably moderated some pr or other companies.

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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Post by treme »

kellops wrote: post #133

I'm just appalled that these people continue to provide free labour to Reddit and that Reddit encourages this arrangement. The "dang" model where the moderators get paid a salary for their work seems the only reasonable and fair way to go. Having mods work for free is effectively a form of psychological abuse, taking advantage of people's social media addiction for corporate benefit.

economics just don't work for professional mods atm. keep in mind YC is worth 100B+

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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Post by waif »

quaintdev wrote: post #54

Too bad we don't have a viable replacement for reddit atm or this would have been end of Reddit

But should we have a replacement for reddit..?

I think we had the model right before the concept of social media came along, which is many small independent communities.

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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Post by chronogram »

zirgs wrote: post #88
flangola7 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are some of the verbatim comments you were banned for? On which subs did you post them?

/r/Games banned me for saying that GTA V should not be censored, for example.

That's verbatim? Just writing "GTA V should not be censored" got you banned?
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