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Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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Pissing off the people doing thankless free labor to keep your subreddits moderated and site functional seems like a poor choice. This is going to be quite an event when it kicks off Monday.

Why will it be quite an event? After this brief protest it is business as usual.

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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I've also been using PowerDeleteSuite[0] to delete all submissions and comments, as deleting your account will not delete posts, just change the user to [deleted]. [0] https://github.com/j0be/PowerDeleteSuite/

I get that you want to protest but I don’t like the idea of destroying information permanently that might not be available elsewhere, it’s really frustrating when you find a comment that seemed to give you the solution to the problem exact problem you have but it got deleted. Is there a less destructive way to do this?

Sometimes destruction of something is a way forward.

I think I'll do the deletion thing to my accounts. Just a bleep on the radar, but helps make Reddit a slightly shittier place.

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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post #136

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Another thing is that many moderators are paid but by other companies and PR firms. Reddit doesn't see any of it. A lot of the content on Reddit is promotion and semi-hidden forms of advertising. Again Reddit doesn't see any of this spend. In both cases Reddit is paying other companies for using their platform for making money. Why would a corporation pay hundreds of thousands for ads when they could spend tens of th…

I agree that there is a lot of commercial use of reddit that reddit fails to monetize. I have no idea how much of that is moderation, but it doesn't really matter: restricting API usage is the wrong way to solve this problem Instead, the easy fix is to update the standard ToS to be non-commercial use only and introduce paid plans for commercial use. I'm pretty confident that would be way more lucrative than advertisi…

This is pretty much what Reddit is doing. All the major 3rd party apps fall under commercial usage. The main issue is the price is insanely high for commercial apps.

https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/7/23752804/reddit-exempt-acc...

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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https://join-lemmy.org/ Lemmy is still too obscure to be on the radar i guess.

It's on the radar, but it will probably never have the critical mass that reddit has; can its servers handle and afford millions of users and billions of requests a month?

Currently it surely cannot handle the scale of Reddit. They do „tens of thousands“ now and will have to discover the bottlenecks for „hundreds of thousands“ first.

Anyways, maybe this gives Lemmy a boost towards the next level.

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

#145

Pissing off the people doing thankless free labor to keep your subreddits moderated and site functional seems like a poor choice. This is going to be quite an event when it kicks off Monday.

what puzzles me the most is that reddit's reasoning for charging money for their API is that "it's bad that other people are profiting from our work and it's too expensive to maintain without someone paying it". hey, guess what? reddit "profits" a LOT from unpaid work from their moderators. if you wanna charge for API access, you should also pay your moderators since you are profiting from their work.

I'm curious: how does Reddit profits from anything?

It seems to me the only revenue they seem to have is ads?? But I use it on the web and never seen ads (except for actual posts that are ads, but those usually get quickly downvoted and I don't even see most of them)... I think people who use Apollo or other apps also like to use Reddit on those because, among other things (like nicer UI) they do not show ads (and probably don't make any money either). Hence, it seems to me, perhaps naively, Reddit is giving us stuff literally for free.. they can't even monetise user data like Facebook, as most of us are anonymous users...

So, would be really interesting to understand how they're making money, which could help understand their motivations here.

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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I used to moderate a lot of large subreddits back in the day, and don't understand why the mods don't just shut them down indefinitely, until reddit capitulates. What, I won't be doing a bunch of free labor for a multimillion dollar company while being called a dictator all day? Yes please! Reddit would probably have to step in and start removing moderators, digging their hole even deeper.

Well, one part of the subreddits say they'll be closed for 24 or 48 hours, others have said they'll be closed until this has been resolved. Likewise, several major apps (I know of Apollo and RIF) will shut down on the 30th, before the API changes take effect. I'm sure some people will relent and use the official app / website after that, but others will just quit. I'm not sure yet myself, it'll suddenly make a big ga…

I deleted the Reddit app a few months ago because the comments are a hivemind and it was annoying me, but TikTok seems to scratch the reddit itch without the annoyances.

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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post #138

I'm just appalled that these people continue to provide free labour to Reddit and that Reddit encourages this arrangement. The "dang" model where the moderators get paid a salary for their work seems the only reasonable and fair way to go. Having mods work for free is effectively a form of psychological abuse, taking advantage of people's social media addiction for corporate benefit.

economics just don't work for professional mods atm. keep in mind YC is worth 100B+

Reddit already has professional mods who deal with reported content, across all subreddits, in the following prohibited categories:

> Harassment

> Threatening violence

> Hate

> Sexualization of minors

> Sharing personal information

> Non-consensual intimate media

> Prohibited transaction

> Impersonation

> Copyright violation

> Trademark violation

> Self-harm or suicide

> Spam

Those moderators aren't doing their work for free, so why should anyone else?

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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Too bad we don't have a viable replacement for reddit atm or this would have been end of Reddit

You are writing this using the best Reddit replacement. If HN had a subforum feature and an ability to embed pictures or videos in posts, or some kind of markdown light syntax, Reddit usage would die for me.

And HN would die for me.

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

#149
post #4

Pissing off the people doing thankless free labor to keep your subreddits moderated and site functional seems like a poor choice. This is going to be quite an event when it kicks off Monday.

I used to moderate a lot of large subreddits back in the day, and don't understand why the mods don't just shut them down indefinitely, until reddit capitulates. What, I won't be doing a bunch of free labor for a multimillion dollar company while being called a dictator all day? Yes please! Reddit would probably have to step in and start removing moderators, digging their hole even deeper.

Because they like the visibility and the power, they're just as addicted as the users of the subreddits but to a different thing.

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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I tallied (roughly) the number of subscriber accounts, across all these reddits. It's around 1 billion. Obviously, it's not conservative as many will have subscribed to multiple. But, I see MAU (monthly active users) is about 1b. So, this is huge. EDIT: Seems the source for MAU I found was way high, making this potentially even bigger. Every other source I've found is 400-500m range for MAU on reddit (as another poin…

Most of the private ones were private already, and whether the other ones will follow through or not remains to be seen.
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