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Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

pinguinFromY wrote: post #60
dataengineer56 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I own the DocuSign subreddit. You don't own it, you were just either the first person to create the subreddit or someone who has since becomes the longest-serving moderator on it. I'll never understand how camping on a subreddit gives anyone the right to say that they "own" it or gives them more power over everyone else indefinitely. It's a big flaw in Reddit, I think all subreddits should be put up for some kind o…

By this logic, Americans don't own their land, they were there just in time to conquer it. Or I don't own my home, I was just the first person to buy it.

That’s correct

There is no objective and constant set of universal rules for what defines ownership because it’s a made up concept

Unless you’ve ingested something to burn for calories, or destroyed something then nothing is strictly and forever yours to keep and dispose of as you please.

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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Post by alpaca128 »

jacquesm wrote: post #184
wraptile wrote: post #178

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> 48 hours will not even ding reddit. I feel like 48 hour long outage for a social media website is huge. That's 2 days for people to look around at alternatives. Remember when google plus launches FB argued that they had zero hours to lose and they were kinda right.

It's only 48 hours if reddit lets it.

Reddit can't force the moderators to return early. Letting it run with no moderation for 48 hours is far more damaging than a temporary interruption.

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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Post by CamelCaseName »

DocTomoe wrote: post #233

All this will result in is Reddit secretly taking over these subreddits, take out the mods and give them to "trustworthy" people. They will first ask nicely, and if you don't bend over, they will do so anyways. I know it because it happened to me.

Write about it!

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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Post by mattbrewsbytes »

I think instead of going dark they should just leave their subreddits un-moderated. The amount of junk content that would fill the site might be enough for advertisers to pull money, which is ultimately what this is about.

Going dark is the equivalent of thoughts and prayers after a mass shooting.

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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Post by Endy »

A nice idea, but my opinion is that we need to openly boycott all of Advance Media's holdings and investments. Don't go off Reddit for a few days and watch something owned by Warner Discovery, or read Epicurious for recipes to cook while you "wait". Hit every rev stream they have. This isn't just about Reddit's IPO, this has to be about permanently breaking the back of a media conglomerate.

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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Post by Aachen »

cubefox wrote: post #36

Imagine there was a free or quasi-free API for Facebook. Facebook would lose large amounts of money on content because they can no longer monetize it with ads.

I wish this wasn't downvoted. It's a fair conversation to have, especially for those not in the loop.

People tend to like things they have, no matter how unreasonable. If you own a building where nobody lives, and I move in secretly and live there for five years, then you finally discover me and want me to get gone... good luck. Somehow I now have legal rights. I never paid you, did nothing for it, usually these people also completely trash the place (this is the part I don't get), yet you can't make me homeless on the spot.

We tend to feel entitled to things quickly, and reddit users (myself included) are used to just using the service via whatever third-party app. If reddit wants to change that, I'd like to get the opportunity to make it worthwhile for them to continue to support this.

Instead, it seems that the developer of the app I use needs to front these costs, and within a number of days (after being free for over a decade). My rational side tells myself that I have no reason to expect otherwise and that I should have questioned why this is all free in the first place. But I also don't like it and support any movement that aims to come to a different agreement with reddit. Surely if it was fine for many years, something can be worked out in the next months and enacted after a transition period.

It's not like reddit doesn't know how many people use reddit this way and that having them all pay a little bit for access is way beneficial as compared to cutting them off. What they're doing seems dumb from any angle that I can see and that's what makes me additionally support these protests. Talk to us, reddit.

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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Post by izzydata »

feyes wrote: post #176
jacquesm wrote: post #165

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Reddit has some pretty powerful tools at its disposal to re-enable those subreddits and then they can ask who wants to moderate them instead, I think there will be plenty of takers, if the community is in sync with the mods then the mods' play will succeed otherwise the mods are just putting themselves out of business. This whole thing is a nice illustration how when you use someone else's website for your community…

People should just go back to forums. It was better when I didn't know about the absolute nutcases and always felt like forum information was superior to the stuff I find on Reddit.

This is what I want to happen although I know it never will. Communities used to be spread out across the internet on individual sites that were maintained by enthusiasts as a hobby. I found the interactions among such communities to bar far more enjoyable. Once any community reaches a threshold of users it starts to get unpleasant.

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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Post by jacquesm »

dimmke wrote: post #231
stingraycharles wrote: post #173

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> Reddit is extremely dependent on the goodwill of the community Are they? Assuming they all go dark for 48 hours, then come back online, and business continues as usual... wouldn't that somewhat prove that Reddit doesn't have to worry too much? What if certain subreddits go dark for extended amounts of times, multiple weeks, maybe even a month. And then new copycat subreddits pop up, what do you think will happen? R…

There are already reports of some large subreddits shutting down permanently, such as programming humor. The idea that this action can’t possibly hurt Reddit I keep seeing is amazing to me. It absolutely will hurt Reddit. Even if it’s not an existential blow. Reddit took a long time to get to where it is. Simply saying it can absorb all this like it’s nothing is myopic. And FWIW, I’m glad most people aren’t as cynica…

What stops the reddit admins from re-enabling 'programming humor' and to solicit one or more new moderators?

Re: Reddark: Website to watch subreddits going dark

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Post by LTom »

Engineering-MD wrote: post #91
OnlyEvenPrime2 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have Lemmy. I already deleted my Reddit account and moved.

Main instance (lemmy.ml) has quite heavy political censorship though. It’s not obvious or visible, and including under anti racism rules. Criticising non western countries leads to calls of orientalist and bans [0]. Also without a business model they will struggle to maintain the servers required for even a tiny fraction of Reddit [0] https://lemmy.ml/post/1167199

I think they should be able to govern their instance as they wish, but it's odd that they don't understand that putting (for example) criticism of the Chinese communist party under a general anti-racism rule — without explicitly mentioning this — is rather confusing. It's certainly not what the average new user would understand as racism.

This specific ideological slant is also not clear from its description on the instance list[0], especially when compared to instances like Lemmygrad.

[0]https://join-lemmy.org/instances

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