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US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by wizofaus »

detrites wrote: post #206
wizofaus wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do. If it were possible we'd surely see them everywhere. Even if time travel was a one-way trip there's enough future billions of us that there'd be massive numbers with the sort of incurable fascination seth the past that they'd be motivated to travel back and see what it was like. Doesn't really seem any more or less likely than alien intelligence at any rate.

Maybe every instance of time travel the universe splits in two, to prevent all the causal loop paradoxes etc? Ie, time is always a tree branching, and traveling back in time doesn't change that?

Well, sure, it's possible my consciousness is one that's travelled along every single branch where the backwards-time-travel didn't happen, but that strikes me as extraordinarily unlikely if there have been even only a fifty such attempts in all human (future) history.

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Post by zoogeny »

bragr wrote: post #208
zoogeny wrote: post #166

I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…

Why does it have to be a conspiracy? Some small but significant portion of the population is mentally ill, and it seems likely a few would hear a joke ("we keep the alien space ships through that door, I'd show you but I'd have to kill you"), take it way too literally, and it becomes the focus of their mental illness. That seems not only possible but probable given the size the military industrial complex.

> Why does it have to be a conspiracy?

Some of his claims, if you believe them, point towards coordinated activities.

For example, he claims that an intelligence official, who he had known and worked with for a long time and who he trusted, pulled him aside and confided in him about this project. This intelligence official mentioned a particular project name. He then claims that later a totally different intelligence agent independently confided in him the same details as well as the same project name. He claims that ultimately he was furnished documentation evidence of this project which he refuses to provide to media (due to national security issues) but which he has provided to congress.

I'm relating what he said in the interview. He could be making that all up. However, if he is relating actual events then there is a coordinated group of intelligence agents working towards the same goal.

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Post by kumi111 »

Is it my impression or looking at all those irrelevant jobs, like people trying their best to... : * Censoring Internet: claiming that, watching porn has something to do with real world threats. * Protecting Skies: 90% of the time is waste of money, but well there is new threat the "aliens" yay... our job is not over xD

And honestly it's not that different from business made by climate change, AI threats, pandemic and so on (that I can summarize as "fear"), only that there is need more money... or the job is at risk...

P.S: I'm not thinking some of them are not real threats, just that they are abused.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by 627467 »

moomoo11 wrote: post #129
orbital-decay wrote: post #104

Aliens just seem to love the USA, don't they? Just like giant prehistoric sea monsters seem to love Japan. It's totally not a cover-up for another black project.

If I came across a planet of smart monkeys and one monkey state had the most baddest mfers with the most insane tech and research, I’d want to learn about them. Everyone’s already encountered the starting conditions in most other countries. US is the only one winning Civilization Earth. I’m a naturalized US citizen, for example. Could have ended up anywhere but it’s best here in terms of opportunity and making new st…

Being naturalized one can forgive your bias. But this "the best civ on earth" seems just taken straight out of a 1990-2000s movie.

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Post by wizofaus »

tzs wrote: post #241
wizofaus wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do. If it were possible we'd surely see them everywhere. Even if time travel was a one-way trip there's enough future billions of us that there'd be massive numbers with the sort of incurable fascination seth the past that they'd be motivated to travel back and see what it was like. Doesn't really seem any more or less likely than alien intelligence at any rate.

That reminds me of an amusing story I read in Analog several years ago. I don't remember the name or author. It was about the first time travel trip. The team that developed the first time machine decided to send the first traveler to visit Shakespeare, figuring that Shakespeare had a flexible enough mind to not be freaked out by the visit. When the traveler got to Shakespeare they were right that he did not freak ou…

I suspect time-travelling and Shakespeare is a whole sub-genre, the one I know is one where Shakespeare travelled forward in time and enrolled in a university Shakespeare course - which he then failed... There must be at least one where all his works were actually sent back in time for him to copy from, leading to all sorts of questions as to who originally wrote them.

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Post by eBombzor »

merpnderp wrote: post #148
beefman wrote: post #96

Aliens have never crashed here. Aliens have never even visited our solar system. The truth is more interesting: the galaxy is emptier than it should be.

If you look at all the crazy coincidences that were required for life to develop on Earth, it starts to make sense that we're alone. Single star in the system, need a big Jupiter to block space rocks, our target is a rocky planet close to star, but needs to be hit by an abnormally large moon right as the lithosphere is cooling, ripping out 1/3rd of it so that the planet can have giant continents barely covered with w…

That's one example of how life is formed. By someone's definition on wiki, life could be defined as

> self-sustained chemical system capable of undergoing Darwinian evolution

Meaning in a different environments with different moons, stars, temperatures, as long as the environment could support abiogenesis (could be different from what we currently know), life would be able to be sustained but it might be a hell of a lot different.

I don't really know what I'm talking about but surely a different life form would've existed at some point somewhere... Right?

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Post by kelnos »

Sharlin wrote: post #285
paulddraper wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the premise is contrary to numerous, basic logical inferences How so? The argument for no aliens is lack of evidence, not evidence of their lack.

Absence of evidence absolutely is evidence of absence. Like the absence of evidence of an invisible dragon in your garage.

The absence of evidence of an invisible dragon in my garage absolutely is not evidence if its absence. It may very well be there. I strongly suspect it isn't, but that's not the same as evidence.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by throwaway892238 »

627467 wrote: post #334
moomoo11 wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I came across a planet of smart monkeys and one monkey state had the most baddest mfers with the most insane tech and research, I’d want to learn about them. Everyone’s already encountered the starting conditions in most other countries. US is the only one winning Civilization Earth. I’m a naturalized US citizen, for example. Could have ended up anywhere but it’s best here in terms of opportunity and making new st…

Being naturalized one can forgive your bias. But this "the best civ on earth" seems just taken straight out of a 1990-2000s movie.

It's funny how people confuse "most powerful nation" with "best nation". We have the biggest guns, and the most money, and the most prisoners, so we're #1. (Just ignore literally all other rankings)

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Post by rtpg »

moomoo11 wrote: post #129
orbital-decay wrote: post #104

Aliens just seem to love the USA, don't they? Just like giant prehistoric sea monsters seem to love Japan. It's totally not a cover-up for another black project.

If I came across a planet of smart monkeys and one monkey state had the most baddest mfers with the most insane tech and research, I’d want to learn about them. Everyone’s already encountered the starting conditions in most other countries. US is the only one winning Civilization Earth. I’m a naturalized US citizen, for example. Could have ended up anywhere but it’s best here in terms of opportunity and making new st…

Why would you go to the middle of the American desert? There’s no magic in the ground (or maybe there is??)

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by Loquebantur »

quickthrowman wrote: post #250
bagels wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But who is the messaging intended for? Foreign military intelligence agencies can draw the same conclusions, that this is some kind of misdirection, and that it's more likely a cover for US or Chinese weapons tech, they're not dumb.

You make a very good point, I’m going to stick with the grifter/liar/mentally ill thesis instead.

His actions would have seriously bad consequences for him if he was lying.

Several reputable people have gone on record testifying for his (mental) integrity. Even some scientists actually.

The whole premise of that guy being easily discredited is absurd. Its lazy thinking plain and simple. Go read the actual article and corroborating information on 'The Debrief'.

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