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US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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4. Time-traveling humans from the future. Don't discount that possibility!

I do. If it were possible we'd surely see them everywhere. Even if time travel was a one-way trip there's enough future billions of us that there'd be massive numbers with the sort of incurable fascination seth the past that they'd be motivated to travel back and see what it was like. Doesn't really seem any more or less likely than alien intelligence at any rate.

That reminds me of an amusing story I read in Analog several years ago. I don't remember the name or author.

It was about the first time travel trip. The team that developed the first time machine decided to send the first traveler to visit Shakespeare, figuring that Shakespeare had a flexible enough mind to not be freaked out by the visit.

When the traveler got to Shakespeare they were right that he did not freak out. In fact he took it entirely in stride. The time traveler was a little confused that Shakespeare was taking it so well. Shakespeare even asked what gift the time traveler had brought, saying that "all the early ones brought gifts".

The time traveler had in fact brought a gift--a nicely bound volume of Shakespeare's collected works. Shakespeare looked at it, said something about maybe he could sell the binding, then said probably not, and tossed it on a pile of books, which the traveler realized was a pile of similar books.

Shakespeare noticed that the traveler was now throughly confused and realized that the traveler was in fact one of the very earliest, and explained that most of early travelers brought books.

The traveler was still confused over the idea that Shakespeare had met other time travelers, saying "but I'm the first time traveler!". Shakespeare told him that he may have been the first to leave, but he certainly wasn't the first to arrive, and said at some stages in his life he was being visiting frequently by time travelers, which was actually annoying--although not as annoying as it was for Jesus, who Shakespeare says another time traveler decided to introduce them once.

At that point numerous other time travelers started arriving. They were reporters from throughout the timeline popping in to try to get an interview with the first time traveler. The first time traveller is now close to completely losing it, and Shakespeare says he can handle it and steps in to act as a press agent for the first time traveler.

If backwards time travel turns out to possible my guess is that there will be some limitation that prevents scenarios like the one in that story from happening. My guess is either (1) the time machine will only be able to go back to when it was created (think of it like going back to a save point in a game), or (2) when a time machine goes back to some point in spacetime it creates some sort of exclusion zone in a region around that point that precludes any other time machine from arrive at a point in that exclusion zone.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…

> All of this stuff reeks of some kind pf psyop. In this case, I agree. I usually try to avoid conspiratorial thinking and conspiracy theories, but the DoD and related agencies have been putting out all kinds of information about UFOs in the past few years. My question is: why? The DoD isn’t known for their public relations. My best speculative guess is that they’re claiming they’ve found alien craft and exotic alien…

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Sounds like Grusch is upstanding, but I suspect he's been trolled by the rest of them. You can just imagine; "hey Eagle, the UFO guy's coming to ask about that UAP report, you know, the one where the IR tracker locked-on to a speck of dust. Let's mention the (nudge, hehe) black-ops alien testing site we saw when we went to file the report"

We, the general public, simply do not have enough information at this point to judge this man's testimony, or the evidence that he provided.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…

To what end?

I thought this was obvious...distract from the lizard people.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Aliens just seem to love the USA, don't they? Just like giant prehistoric sea monsters seem to love Japan. It's totally not a cover-up for another black project.

Culturally, Godzilla in Japan very much came out of the fear of nuclear weapons and radiation post-Hiroshima and Nagasaki -- a monster awakened and empowered by nuclear weapons [1]. I've never been super clear on what the cultural reason for aliens USA is though. Although I suppose it's different in that Godzilla was an intentional fictional creation, while the fascination with aliens hopes they're actually real. [1]…

There have been reports of aliens, alien crashes and recovery, etc. all over the world[0]. The reason it's primarily seen as an American phenomenon is that the whole culture and mythos originated in the US, first in the late 1940s with the Kenneth Arnold sighting[1] (where the term "flying saucer" originated) and later Close Encounters of the Third Kind and Whitley Streiber's Communion codified the "grey alien/abduction" motif (although there were prior stories like the Pascagoula abduction[2], notable for the aliens described as looking nothing like greys) and of course the X-Files. The rest of the world likely absorbed the UFO archetype through cultural osmosis. Also Americans simply aren't going to be aware of UFO reports from other countries unless they go out of their way to look for them.

[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zanfretta_UFO_Incident

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ant%C3%B4nio_Vilas-Boas

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendlesham_Forest_incident

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varginha_UFO_incident

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falcon_Lake_Incident

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Air_Lines_Cargo_Flight_1...

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Arnold_UFO_sighting

[2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascagoula_Abduction

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Aliens just seem to love the USA, don't they? Just like giant prehistoric sea monsters seem to love Japan. It's totally not a cover-up for another black project.

Or maybe the USA has observed them more.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…

To what end?

It's a conspiracy theory that exalts the government/military and a narrative that they control. Why wouldn't you want skeptical populations thinking that they can trust you, that you're skilled and competent, and for whom you can use slight of hand to easily influence and distract?

US adversaries can easily turn their drones into a panic when they fly in US airspace, and I believe that the instances where actual drones are involved, those are attempts at adversaries to surveil our military and government and to scare the populace. That's to say adversarial drones have an additional use as psyops weapons against civilians and military members. Being able to send whatever you want into US airspace and the US being unable to do anything about it can be perceived as being threatening and scary.

A counter narrative to that involving some UFO/alien mystery can quell panic and instead foster wonder and distraction.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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> All of this stuff reeks of some kind pf psyop. In this case, I agree. I usually try to avoid conspiratorial thinking and conspiracy theories, but the DoD and related agencies have been putting out all kinds of information about UFOs in the past few years. My question is: why? The DoD isn’t known for their public relations. My best speculative guess is that they’re claiming they’ve found alien craft and exotic alien…

But who is the messaging intended for? Foreign military intelligence agencies can draw the same conclusions, that this is some kind of misdirection, and that it's more likely a cover for US or Chinese weapons tech, they're not dumb.

You make a very good point, I’m going to stick with the grifter/liar/mentally ill thesis instead.
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