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iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Post by kuschku »

vladvasiliu wrote: post #171
tpxl wrote: post #145

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As far as I'm concerned if you 'bought' something, it should be yours to do as you please, including reselling and destroying it. If you didn't buy something, but rented it - for example a game on Steam or Epic Games store - then it should damned say so. It's a straight up lie to say you purchased something if you didn't.

I don't think those alternatives are the right ones. You can sell your iphone without any issue, there are plenty of stores around me offering to buy used models to resell. I'm actually contemplating buying a used model. Can't do that with steam games. I'm also pretty confident that if apple and their services disappeared tomorrow, my iphone would keep on working just like it does today. Sure, no more updates, no mor…

I added a wifi relay to my washing machine to add it to home assistant.

How do I add my own apps to my iPhone, permanently?

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Post by flohofwoe »

stavros wrote: post #374
mrighele wrote: post #226

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"If you didn't buy something, but rented it - for example a game on Steam or Epic Games store" I don't know about the other one, but in the Steam store I see "Buy" buttons, not "Rent". "Buy " in the store page, then when you go a "Shopping Cart", where you can "Purchase" the game. To me (and to the average people, I guess) it doesn't sound as a rental service at all. I'm sure that their ToS says otherwise, but I wond…

That's the GP's point, they rent you games but the language they use is "buy", and they shouldn't. They should say "rent" instead.

It's not quite as simple, the main reason for the 'rent' argument is DRM (e.g. most Steam games will stop working if the Steam client can't phone home for a while), but some games on Steam are actually DRM free - it's a very small minority though.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Post by mrighele »

simondotau wrote: post #112
pseudo0 wrote: post #60

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So take five minutes to set up the parental controls on your children's devices. The idea that we should eliminate the ability to run arbitrary software "for the children" is completely ridiculous.

Then don’t buy an iPhone. I think it’s ridiculous that we are asking the government to save us from our own choices. As much as you and I don’t like it, what Apple is doing is perfectly legal. And as much as you or I might support a change in the law, you’re not going to get my support if the legislation is truly universal and not just a narrow-band targeting of a single company for developing an ecosystem which reso…

> As much as you and I don’t like it, what Apple is doing is perfectly legal.

Well, not in EU now

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Post by vivegi »

xenonite wrote: post #401
vivegi wrote: post #70

From the article > In addition, developers may have to pay extra if they want their apps to be available outside of the iOS App Store, Gurman says. The statement is a bit ambiguous. Is it pay Apple extra or pay extra to the 3rd party to have their app listed in the 3rd party app store? The former doesn't sound right; It is probably FUD. Logically, a 3rd party app store could compete on significantly reduced fees rela…

No, my interpretation is that Apple either increases their fees or decreases prices for an app that is also distributed elsewhere. I don't see a problem with that. If a producer grants exclusive distribution rights to a seller, the typical consequence is that the seller gives the producer a greater profit share in return. On ending those terms, the seller may rightfully reduce the profit share, in my opinion.

> ... Apple either increases their fees or decreases prices for an app that is also distributed elsewhere

I don't get why anyone should be paying Apple a rent for using a 3rd party app store (lets say exclusively).

As a hypothetical, lets say Epic Games or Steam launches an Alt App Store for games that can be installed on ios. Why does any gamedev using those stores have to pay Apple any transaction fee?

Just doesn't make any sense and would just be rent-seeking on Apple's part.

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Post by standing_user »

flohofwoe wrote: post #426

Since this is an example of increasing individual freedom at the cost of corporate freedom, I wonder about the silence of US citizens about the whole topic. I always thought the 'land of the free' slogan is about individuals, not companies ;)

It's the land of the free until you touch the turf of some lobby or the interests of a big company then you can see the average Joe on social media, maybe not on HN, that would fight on the internet ring defending the same companies that are triyng to screw him over It's amusing to watch

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Post by heavyset_go »

__tmk__ wrote: post #420
ko27 wrote: post #383

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Is anybody else upset that people are actively making up stories to prop up Apple on HN? Most of what you said is misleading or false: > Here in Thailand banking apps fraud is rampant Citation needed (on the "rampant" part). > Most of the cases are found to be on android devices Even if it's true most of the phones in Thailand are Android. > clicking some link that installs some app Not possible the way you describe…

I think my banking app disallows taking screenshots of it. (Presumably this also means it would be hidden from screen recordings? Not quite sure.)

The apps are rarely the problem, the goal is to get the user to install TeamViewer or AnyDesk software that has legitimate uses and then get them to visit their bank's site on the computer.

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Post by letier »

hayst4ck wrote: post #410
tpxl wrote: post #145

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As far as I'm concerned if you 'bought' something, it should be yours to do as you please, including reselling and destroying it. If you didn't buy something, but rented it - for example a game on Steam or Epic Games store - then it should damned say so. It's a straight up lie to say you purchased something if you didn't.

If we were being very pedantic, what would you say is the test of ownership? If you buy an iPhone you can sell it or destroy it, so it meets those requirements of ownership. You can't destroy something you're renting, so you clearly aren't renting an iPhone. How would I know if I own a device or not? If you buy an iPhone, but don't think you own it. Why don't you think you own it? If your response is "because I can't…

If you’re required to accept license agreements to be able to use the device and those agreements restrict you in how you use it, then I see this as a restriction to your ownership. Especially if the terms are opaque and not clearly communicated before the purchase.

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Post by kuschku »

amelius wrote: post #316
toyg wrote: post #257

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There is law and there is the spirit of the law. The ECJ can be pretty fast when they feel someone is taking the piss.

The cookie popups can be very annoying and confusing and they didn't do anything about that.

They're slowly working through the backlog. Even Google gave in and put a single, working "deny all tracking" button front and center.

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Post by RalfWausE »

mirekrusin wrote: post #289
seydor wrote: post #273

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Most people use web banking , so iOS or not it doesn't matter. Apple just truly believes in security by ignorance.

That was true maybe 10 years ago? Every bank has an app now, even to use normal banking from desktop instead of digital keys everybody is using mobile banking app's 2fa.

Not EVRERYBODY... luckily my bank (a tiny bank in the Volksbank group) gives me the option to use an external TAN generator
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