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iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Post by jessekv »

josephcsible wrote: post #190
AmericanChopper wrote: post #108

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I don’t believe they ever claimed that it was not possible. The position has always been that it is a compromise in security controls. The counter position to that has never been that it is not a compromise in security controls. I only hope they continue to sell devices that don’t allow it, because that’s what I would choose every time, unless that choice is taken away from me.

Why do you think it's ever better to have a device that doesn't ever allow sideloading apps, over one that lets you, the owner, decide whether or not to allow sideloading apps?

Not GP, and fully agree that having the option for side-loading would be a largely positive thing for users and the software community.

But one counterargument goes like this:

When you relax the rules, larger players will be able to leverage them against individual users.

For example, Meta would be able to release MetaStore, the app with exclusive distribution rights to Meta apps. Now you need a facebook account to install whatsapp.

Not sure its sustainable, however.

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Post by the_common_man »

vladvasiliu wrote: post #171
tpxl wrote: post #145

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As far as I'm concerned if you 'bought' something, it should be yours to do as you please, including reselling and destroying it. If you didn't buy something, but rented it - for example a game on Steam or Epic Games store - then it should damned say so. It's a straight up lie to say you purchased something if you didn't.

I don't think those alternatives are the right ones. You can sell your iphone without any issue, there are plenty of stores around me offering to buy used models to resell. I'm actually contemplating buying a used model. Can't do that with steam games. I'm also pretty confident that if apple and their services disappeared tomorrow, my iphone would keep on working just like it does today. Sure, no more updates, no mor…

How would one install or update an app if apple and services disappear?

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Post by beebeepka »

herbst wrote: post #254
beebeepka wrote: post #252

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Games on steam are not rented

They pretty much are according to their ToS

Laws trump ToS of any kind. Do you disagree with that? If things are different in your jurisdiction, please do share how and why

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Post by zeitg3ist »

seydor wrote: post #273
zacksiri wrote: post #242

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Most people use web banking , so iOS or not it doesn't matter. Apple just truly believes in security by ignorance.

Most people I know (European here) use a mobile banking app. For my bank, the mobile app also serves as 2fa for the website, so it’s impossible not to have it.

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Post by Szpadel »

shrx wrote: post #253
zacksiri wrote: post #242

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No. Preventing people from doing something "for their own good" is never the right solution. Instead, we should strive to educate people on proper online safety measures so that they don't fall victim to fraudulent attempts.

I'm surprised that there are many cases as to enable sideboarding on Android you basically have to go to settings and enable option that basically tell you that this isn't a good idea if you don't know what you are doing and then you have to do the same for the application that triggers the install.

but on the other hand I already saw people trying Linux and being surprised that after multiple confirmations "this is probably a terrible idea, are you sure" it broke their systems

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Post by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK »

otterley wrote: post #138
W4RH4WK55 wrote: post #102

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That I can just take the SIM out and put it in a different phone? what's the migration process for eSIMs?

The migration process is, you ask your carrier for a new eSIM. They send you one via QR code. That's pretty much it.

Where I am, the migration process is: you drag your physical body with an ID to the operator's office. There is no "send".

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Post by pjerem »

gavinsyancey wrote: post #207
pjerem wrote: post #201

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Can’t this friend install something else on his phone ? Signal maybe ?

He'd then have to convince everyone else he wants to talk to to use Signal instead of Facebook. That's the hard part.

It’s not as hard as what people think.

You just tell your friends that you are not reachable on Facebook anymore and how you can be reached.

You don’t have to "convince" anyone.

Your real fear is that people will stop reaching you if they don’t want to install another app, send you an SMS, send you an email or to call you on the phone.

Well, if your friends stops reaching you because you uninstalled an app, honestly it looks that they are more acquaintances than real friends. And it’s ok. But it’s also ok if they are just an entry in your contacts list.

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