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iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe
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Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe
#332Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I'm also pretty confident that if apple and their services disappeared tomorrow, my iphone would keep on working just like it does today. Sure, no more updates, no more new apps, it would be frozen in the state it's in. You can hardly call that "working like it does today". It doesn't. When features on it inevitably cease to work or be interoperable, you're screwed. And every day, you're probably more vulnerable to…
>If I buy a house, I can learn to maintain it and keep it secured. I can't do that with my iPhone. For the argument's sake, your ability to do things to your own house is restricted by zoning, by HOA and god forbid you from buying something of historical significance in Europe -- then you can't change anything inside or outside and you are responsible for it.
True, and those issues are subjected to the same philosophical debates. Historical buildings are often categorically different, but HOAs (for a product manufactured and sold to you, as well as the land itself) are lambasted for the same reasons.
Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe
#333Earlier quoted context omitted.
As far as I'm concerned if you 'bought' something, it should be yours to do as you please, including reselling and destroying it. If you didn't buy something, but rented it - for example a game on Steam or Epic Games store - then it should damned say so. It's a straight up lie to say you purchased something if you didn't.
I don't think those alternatives are the right ones. You can sell your iphone without any issue, there are plenty of stores around me offering to buy used models to resell. I'm actually contemplating buying a used model. Can't do that with steam games. I'm also pretty confident that if apple and their services disappeared tomorrow, my iphone would keep on working just like it does today. Sure, no more updates, no mor…
If Apple disappears all push notifications will stop working, even the ones from apps you already installed. This is another restriction of the walled garden.
Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe
#334I think Apple has also done good things with their strict app store policies (from my consumer point of view). Apple has been for example putting limits on data collection and tracking. The main mechanism is to kick apps out from Apps store if they don't play by the rules. I'm worried that side loading will be a step back here. Strong players, like Facebook, may just take their app away from the official store and di…
> I don't have much choice I hope I don't come across as snarky -- I am genuinely curious -- but why don't you have a choice? Are you unable to contact friends, family, etc. any other way outside of FB? The phrasing seems so strong, I am second guessing if I am just privileged/lucky (location, friend/family circumstances, etc?) to be off of social media but still have friends and family that I stay connected to. EDIT…
Here is an example: we are invited to my kid’s friend’s birthday. They manage the event on facebook. They had to change location and time couple of times already. We don’t want to miss it and alternatives to facebook just aren’t any better. Sometimes it’s just convenient.
Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe
#335Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe
#336Earlier quoted context omitted.
No. Preventing people from doing something "for their own good" is never the right solution. Instead, we should strive to educate people on proper online safety measures so that they don't fall victim to fraudulent attempts.
> Preventing people from doing something "for their own good" is never the right solution. Never? So, no laws against speeding, no restrictions of the use of DDT, etc? I think that, to make electronic devices usable for all, we have to restrict what they can do. > Instead, we should strive to educate people on proper online safety measures I would say “in addition”, not “instead”. I think it’s a pipe dream we can edu…
Your comparison seems unsuited: Laws against speeded or ddt are both not primary to protect yourself from your action, but rather to protect others from your actions.
Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe
#337Earlier quoted context omitted.
You should read this article[0]. It outlines clearly that victims are downloading .apk files [0] https://www.nationthailand.com/thailand/general/40024972 Also your comparison of people 'working on their own cars' is a bit off here. Most people buy cars to drive, and give the car to the mechanic to 'work on'. It's much much harder to repair your own car than to click a link that can scam you.
No one said anything about repairs - people are currently free to buy and fit their own wipers from 3rd parties because we have specific legislation that says manufacturers can't forbid 3rd parties from making spare parts. I don't see why the same shouldn't apply here. >>You should read this article[0]. It outlines clearly that victims are downloading .apk files I feel for the victims but I literally don't see how th…
I'm simply presenting a case in my own country. Where I've seen the negative effects of sideloading playing out. People's livelihoods are being destroyed.
I do understand that sideloading is something desirable for some percentage of people.
Point is every thing has pros / cons. Sideloading is like buying a car and upgrading it with NOS. Yeah it's wonderful. Your going to have a very powerful car. But the risks also increase. Most people don't need NOS in their car.
I'm speaking for most people. In my household I recommend everyone to use Apple devices, it keeps them safe and happy.
Ultimately everyone is entitled to their own choices and have to accept the consequences. I guess we'll have to wait and see how it plays out now that it's coming to iOS 17 in the EU.
Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe
#338I think the central question here is: .) whether you buy a phone as a piece of hardware and then own that hardware - which gives you certain rights regarding the usage of that owned hardware or .) whether you are just paying some sort of admission fee to a tightly controlled service, and are basically "lent" a piece of hardware that you have no ownership rights over. All the other stuff about walled gardens, monopoli…
Is that the central question?
Most people using Android or Apple's very own macOS today use their device as if they're in the second situation with not a care in the world.
Anyone's walled garden experience isn't meaningfully dependent on anyone else's sanctioned sideloading or not.
Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe
#339Earlier quoted context omitted.
Related question: what does the user want? I doubt a majority of users are against side loading.
I don’t think users really want to have to use 5 different app stores. I’ll probably opt to not buy an app if I first have to download another App Store app.
That's not the case for billions of people on Android or macOS and their respective app stores.
Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe
#340Earlier quoted context omitted.
As far as I'm concerned if you 'bought' something, it should be yours to do as you please, including reselling and destroying it. If you didn't buy something, but rented it - for example a game on Steam or Epic Games store - then it should damned say so. It's a straight up lie to say you purchased something if you didn't.
Games on steam are not rented
It's mostly semantics for this context. You purchase the right to use them for an unspecified time, not the game itself. Steam can revoke that access by shutting down your account or the service at any time. DRM will make sure that not even games you have installed will continue to run.