Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's GDPR as in General Data Protection Regulation.
I guess OP is French, they use different word orders for almost anything, ie: DNA: AND.
DNA is ADN, not AND.
Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways
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Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
>We've got to come up with a better solution. I've got an easy one for you: stop embedding google analytics and others. You don't need a cookie banner when you only have operational ones or better yet, none at all.
Are you sure that out-of-the-box GA requires it? I thought the only info it recorded was anonymised.
Even with consent and configuration, GA might be illegal in the EU. It's currently in a grey area after some latest rulings.
Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways
#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you sure that out-of-the-box GA requires it? I thought the only info it recorded was anonymised.
According to the French data protection authority, "out-of-the-box" GA requires consent because they aren't anonymised: https://www.cnil.fr/en/google-analytics-and-data-transfers-h...
Well, I'm glad I don't use GA on my personal site, then, even if it means I have no idea what traffic levels it gets. GA is incredibly popular though - I would guess the vast majority of blogs etc. use it and have no consent to do so.
Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways
#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
As a side note: cookie management is just A PART of RGPD, that is based on personal information. So RGPD implies to inform the user about the ways their information is used, how it can be accessed, modified, deleted and so...
It's GDPR as in General Data Protection Regulation.
You're right... I'm french ;-)
Sorry about the wrong acronym (RGPD = GDPR)
Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways
#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
Businesses: destroy the social fabric of the internet Regulation, literally: do not collect people's data without their consent if you don't require that data for services you provide. Applies in equal measure to websites, banks, grocery stores, shit processing plants and nuclear power stations. ... 4ad: I still blame the EU, and it's a pointless regulation. Edit: This comment really says it much better: https://news…
You seem to think that the EU should be imune from criticism because it tries to do the right thing. No, when politicians make things worse and absolutely don't solve any problem they promised they will solve then they should be held accountable, removed from positions of power, and replaced with competent people who write better regulation. Edit to your edit: indeed, the EU is mostly about making people miserable wh…
> You seem to think that the EU should be immune from criticism
No it shouldn't. But it should be criticism and not blaming it for what is 100% the responsibility of the business.
> he EU is mostly about making people miserable while convincing them it's actually better for them.
See, this is not criticism. This is emotionally-charged whining and demagoguery
Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways
#96>So stop blaming "the EU" and ask yourself if this is the internet we want. ...Yes, thats exactly the internet "we" want. I don't get why it so hard to accept that people simply dgaf about privacy, and much prefer free products online paid for by ads. And there is nothing wrong with that, because for those that actually care about privacy, there are plenty of tools.
It's hard to accept because many, many people won't agree with you and do give a fuck.
To anyone that doesn't agree with me, please show me your rooted android phone that has no popular apps installed that collect any data, and doesn't use a sim card.
Because if you say you give a fuck about privacy, and use a modern android phone with OEM rom or an iPhone, you either don't understand what privacy is and shouldn't be talking about it in the first place, or you are a hypocrite.
Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways
#97Actually it's a bit more complex (but not much) than what is described: 1st party may need user consent when they will use personal datas for something that is not the intended service (legitimate use). For example, for a shopping cart: cookies are necessary for the service, so no problem. For fraud detection : no problem because it's a legitimate use. But if you start tracking with a user cookie what pages your user…
Toot/thread author here. You are of course right. I couldn't pack all details in those toots. I had to break it down to the absolute basics that are often misunderstood: Not every cookie needs consent. The way this is presented nowadays in these popups is deliberately misleading and trying to move the blame to some anonymous political entity when in reality it simply isn't that way.
Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways
#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
>We've got to come up with a better solution. I've got an easy one for you: stop embedding google analytics and others. You don't need a cookie banner when you only have operational ones or better yet, none at all.
You can have GDPR-compliant analytics, like what Fathom does. I also built my own analytics solution that simply shows me my blog article reads per day, week, month, and year (that is all I care about). It's a simple bit of JS that sends a request to my endpoint when the user spends 30 seconds on a page with an article. I also do some light user agent filtering (no "curl" or "python" in the agent string, for example)…
> many websites use dinosaur software like Google Analytics that hasn't been keeping up with the times
Or maybe has a conflict of interest, and its true purpose is to act as spyware on behalf of Google? Google absolutely has the skills to build a GDPR-compliant version if they wanted to.
The problem is that they aren't in the business of giving away free stuff. GA is only free because they need to give you an incentive to deploy their spyware - they'll happily let you in on (some) of the data they collect in exchange for you spreading it.
Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways
#99This is correct. Bad UX with modal popups and very ambiguous/deliberately vague verbose language designed to make you click some ok button are a choice not a legal requirement. Being deliberately obnoxious is of course a weird choice if you are trying to actually get people to engage with your website.
The more obnoxious the UX, the less you should trust websites to do the right things when it comes to your privacy and rights. If someone puts a "reject all" button in the cookie thing, I click it on principle. Every time. I go out of my way to find it and click it. The harder websites try to hide that button, the harder I try to find it and click it. It's usually there.
But you have to wade through a lot of bullshit and deal with some offensively stupid UX to get to that button. I'm not going to mico-manage all the various ways you want to sell my data / abuse me. Does anyone actually do that? The engagement on UI like that must be absolutely terrible. What does that say about your brand if you are trying to be deliberately misleading, manipulative, and offensive like that? It's not a good look.
Advertising your web design incompetence and malice/corporate stupidity like that is a choice. A bad and odd choice. But it's a choice. The more visually offensive the cookie experience, the less likely I am to provide consent and the more annoyed I get. It's that simple. Maybe I'm weird. Or maybe lots of people are exactly like me and don't provide consent either. So why even bother with this level of abuse?
I also have an ad blocker (I don't even remember the web before ad blockers), I use firefox containers, and firefox cleans up cookies and blocks trackers really aggressively. So, not only is this stupid. It's also futile.
Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways
#100>Tech bros love to whine about "The EU cookie policy" that simply doesn't exist the way they imagine it. All these popups are the most radical way to interpret the explicit consent demanded by regulations when sending data to a 3rd party. An ongoing provocation by the ad/tracker industry to blame their ruthless data hoarding on the EU. The official EU website has one of these annoying pop-ups. Are they part of the pr…
> has one of these annoying pop-ups
You mean a footer. With a 'Only essential cookies' option.
A bit annoying, yes, and other commenters have mentioned the reason for it.
So nothing in your face like "We care about (selling) your privacy"