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Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

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Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

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Post by olivierduval »

olivierduval wrote: post #11

Actually it's a bit more complex (but not much) than what is described: 1st party may need user consent when they will use personal datas for something that is not the intended service (legitimate use). For example, for a shopping cart: cookies are necessary for the service, so no problem. For fraud detection : no problem because it's a legitimate use. But if you start tracking with a user cookie what pages your user…

As a side note: cookie management is just A PART of RGPD, that is based on personal information. So RGPD implies to inform the user about the ways their information is used, how it can be accessed, modified, deleted and so...

Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

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Post by wongarsu »

senttoschool wrote: post #2

The vast majority of people DO NOT care about cookies nor do they care about trackers. However, there is a very real productivity loss with all the cookie prompts - both trying to implement them, getting around them, and the billions of people who have to click on them every single day. We've got to come up with a better solution.

At least part of the intent of the law was that websites would reduce the amount of tracking if they have to explicitly ask for consent. You can build your website with just functional cookies (session cookie, storing preferences like dark mode, etc) and cookie-less tracking, and go without any cookie popups.

Somehow the industry decided it's better to annoy your users with consent for 50 different trackers with the most in-your-face popup possible to cause users to reflexively hit consent instead.

Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

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Post by nicbou »

rapnie wrote: post #3
senttoschool wrote: post #2

The vast majority of people DO NOT care about cookies nor do they care about trackers. However, there is a very real productivity loss with all the cookie prompts - both trying to implement them, getting around them, and the billions of people who have to click on them every single day. We've got to come up with a better solution.

The author states this: > To make this very clear: user/visitor consent is only needed for data going to 3rd parties. All cookie laws, including GDPR and CCPA, allow essential first-party cookies to be exempt from collecting user consent before performing their actions. So your session tracking cookie on your site DOES NOT need a consent popup AT ALL. Most consent dialogs can be avoided, were it not that the surveill…

That's completely false though. Tracking your users without consent is still not allowed, even if you store the data on your own servers.

Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

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Post by illiarian »

4ad wrote: post #9
rapnie wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The author states this: > To make this very clear: user/visitor consent is only needed for data going to 3rd parties. All cookie laws, including GDPR and CCPA, allow essential first-party cookies to be exempt from collecting user consent before performing their actions. So your session tracking cookie on your site DOES NOT need a consent popup AT ALL. Most consent dialogs can be avoided, were it not that the surveill…

My bank doesn't use 3rd party cookies, but they have a modal wall you have to click through anyway that explains that they DO NOT use cookies. This is insanity. Their explanation is that users are so accustomed to these cookie walls that a site without one would feel suspicious and unsafe. I very much blame the EU on this, because the EU policy has solved NOTHING, tracking still happens just as before, except now use…

Businesses: want to track users and collect their data with reckless abandon

Businesses: implement rampant dark patterns to trick people into accepting tracking and data collection

Businesses: flood the internet with inane, obnoxious and blatantly illegal cookie dialogs

...

4ad: I blame the EU

(Hint: show me where GDPR says anything about cookies)

Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

no_time wrote: post #13
senttoschool wrote: post #2

The vast majority of people DO NOT care about cookies nor do they care about trackers. However, there is a very real productivity loss with all the cookie prompts - both trying to implement them, getting around them, and the billions of people who have to click on them every single day. We've got to come up with a better solution.

>We've got to come up with a better solution. I've got an easy one for you: stop embedding google analytics and others. You don't need a cookie banner when you only have operational ones or better yet, none at all.

Are you sure that out-of-the-box GA requires it? I thought the only info it recorded was anonymised.

Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

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Post by rapnie »

Hermel wrote: post #15
rapnie wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The author states this: > To make this very clear: user/visitor consent is only needed for data going to 3rd parties. All cookie laws, including GDPR and CCPA, allow essential first-party cookies to be exempt from collecting user consent before performing their actions. So your session tracking cookie on your site DOES NOT need a consent popup AT ALL. Most consent dialogs can be avoided, were it not that the surveill…

So why do even the official website of the European commission and the European parliament have a cookie consent button? One would assume that they are not "capitalist services".

Unfortunately big tech surveillance capitalists (which is different than "capitalist services", mind you) are court suppliers of IT services that EU institutions depend upon.

Edit: And as the sibling said, in many cases it may be restricted to analytics and simple 'reject' suffices, which is at least better than some of the intricate dialog designs.

Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

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Post by qtzfz »

mabedan wrote: post #14
senttoschool wrote: post #2

The vast majority of people DO NOT care about cookies nor do they care about trackers. However, there is a very real productivity loss with all the cookie prompts - both trying to implement them, getting around them, and the billions of people who have to click on them every single day. We've got to come up with a better solution.

You’re missing the point of the article. The banner is only needed if your business relies on handing over info about the user to 3rd party. And yes, it’s reasonable to make sure user knows about it. The fact that these pop ups are annoying is the fault of the creator, not the regulation. Try accessing Apple.com or iCloud.com. No cookie pop up, yet one of the most successful businesses in history. You don’t have to b…

What info? My IP address and the pages I've visited inside their site? By visiting a site I know I'm giving that info to them, they can do whatever they want with it.

Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

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Post by illiarian »

Hermel wrote: post #15
rapnie wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The author states this: > To make this very clear: user/visitor consent is only needed for data going to 3rd parties. All cookie laws, including GDPR and CCPA, allow essential first-party cookies to be exempt from collecting user consent before performing their actions. So your session tracking cookie on your site DOES NOT need a consent popup AT ALL. Most consent dialogs can be avoided, were it not that the surveill…

So why do even the official website of the European commission and the European parliament have a cookie consent button? One would assume that they are not "capitalist services".

I mean, you could literally read what their banner says. E.g. Eu Paarliament

"We use analytics cookies to offer you a better browsing experience. You have the choice to refuse or accept them. Reject. Accept".

Those analytic cookies are not required for the functioning of the website, and those web sites are required to ask for your consent to gather any additional data.

Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

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Post by irusensei »

ge96 wrote: post #16
clnq wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are already lists for ad blockers that remove those cookie notices.

I don't know how people can use the internet without an adblocker.

I'm not a fan of attaching third party things that work by reading the contents of what I'm browsing. I'd rather run a DNS based blocker but unfortunately those can't prevent cookie modal monsters.
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