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Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

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Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

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Post by olivierduval »

Actually it's a bit more complex (but not much) than what is described: 1st party may need user consent when they will use personal datas for something that is not the intended service (legitimate use).

For example, for a shopping cart: cookies are necessary for the service, so no problem. For fraud detection : no problem because it's a legitimate use. But if you start tracking with a user cookie what pages your users are viewing (statistics collection), then... you need the user consent ! Because it's not necessary for the service... (even if it might be in your interest)

EDIT: if your statistics are not bound to personal informations (so you dont need statistics for INDIVIDUAL users but only the your users AS A WHOLE) then... no problem for RGPD and no need for consent. Actually, that's what a lot of RGPD-compatible statistics do (like Matomo and others...)

Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

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Post by germanier »

shmde wrote: post #4
senttoschool wrote: post #2

The vast majority of people DO NOT care about cookies nor do they care about trackers. However, there is a very real productivity loss with all the cookie prompts - both trying to implement them, getting around them, and the billions of people who have to click on them every single day. We've got to come up with a better solution.

Also accepting them cookies is one single click but rejecting them feels like entering the dark realm with multiple options and not knowing where to click. I am software dev but still have to use just enough mental resources to reject all of the non essential ones. How the fuck is this legal.

It's not legal. It's just not rigorously enforced.

It was promised that things get better with the proposed ePrivacy regulation. Let's see.

Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

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Post by no_time »

senttoschool wrote: post #2

The vast majority of people DO NOT care about cookies nor do they care about trackers. However, there is a very real productivity loss with all the cookie prompts - both trying to implement them, getting around them, and the billions of people who have to click on them every single day. We've got to come up with a better solution.

>We've got to come up with a better solution.

I've got an easy one for you: stop embedding google analytics and others. You don't need a cookie banner when you only have operational ones or better yet, none at all.

Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

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Post by mabedan »

senttoschool wrote: post #2

The vast majority of people DO NOT care about cookies nor do they care about trackers. However, there is a very real productivity loss with all the cookie prompts - both trying to implement them, getting around them, and the billions of people who have to click on them every single day. We've got to come up with a better solution.

You’re missing the point of the article. The banner is only needed if your business relies on handing over info about the user to 3rd party. And yes, it’s reasonable to make sure user knows about it. The fact that these pop ups are annoying is the fault of the creator, not the regulation.

Try accessing Apple.com or iCloud.com. No cookie pop up, yet one of the most successful businesses in history. You don’t have to be annoying

Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

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Post by Hermel »

rapnie wrote: post #3
senttoschool wrote: post #2

The vast majority of people DO NOT care about cookies nor do they care about trackers. However, there is a very real productivity loss with all the cookie prompts - both trying to implement them, getting around them, and the billions of people who have to click on them every single day. We've got to come up with a better solution.

The author states this: > To make this very clear: user/visitor consent is only needed for data going to 3rd parties. All cookie laws, including GDPR and CCPA, allow essential first-party cookies to be exempt from collecting user consent before performing their actions. So your session tracking cookie on your site DOES NOT need a consent popup AT ALL. Most consent dialogs can be avoided, were it not that the surveill…

So why do even the official website of the European commission and the European parliament have a cookie consent button? One would assume that they are not "capitalist services".

Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

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Post by ge96 »

clnq wrote: post #10
ge96 wrote: post #7

Soon as I see the cookie prompt I either abandon the site or read past it. Maybe I write a thing that specifically removes it by an extension.

There are already lists for ad blockers that remove those cookie notices.

I don't know how people can use the internet without an adblocker.

Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

olivierduval wrote: post #11

Actually it's a bit more complex (but not much) than what is described: 1st party may need user consent when they will use personal datas for something that is not the intended service (legitimate use). For example, for a shopping cart: cookies are necessary for the service, so no problem. For fraud detection : no problem because it's a legitimate use. But if you start tracking with a user cookie what pages your user…

I think the vast majority of sites that use cookie popups DO need to do so because they use targeted advertising. It's only a tiny number that have been 'too aggressive', although I'm personally aware of such an example.

Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

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Post by luckylion »

rapnie wrote: post #3
senttoschool wrote: post #2

The vast majority of people DO NOT care about cookies nor do they care about trackers. However, there is a very real productivity loss with all the cookie prompts - both trying to implement them, getting around them, and the billions of people who have to click on them every single day. We've got to come up with a better solution.

The author states this: > To make this very clear: user/visitor consent is only needed for data going to 3rd parties. All cookie laws, including GDPR and CCPA, allow essential first-party cookies to be exempt from collecting user consent before performing their actions. So your session tracking cookie on your site DOES NOT need a consent popup AT ALL. Most consent dialogs can be avoided, were it not that the surveill…

Is he right though? I work with affiliate people a lot, and they hate cookie-consent popups. Even when you do all your analytics inhouse with self-hosted matomo, if you want to use a cookie, you need consent is what the lawyers say unanimously. And these aren't "we want you to ask for consent because we secretly want more privacy" lawyers, these are "I get paid to find a way for you to do your tracking in the easiest way possible and I don't care about privacy" lawyers.

Maybe they're all wrong, but I have doubts.

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