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Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

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Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

#61

This should have been solved technically, not politically. Why not set cookie rules in the browser settings, and handle at http standard level?

GDPR and those data processing consent flows are about data collection and processing in general and not a specific technical means of doing so - it would also apply to IP addresses, browser fingerprinting, information manually entered (such as delivery address when placing an e-commerce order) or a hypothetical crystal ball that actually worked.

Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

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post #43

>Tech bros love to whine about "The EU cookie policy" that simply doesn't exist the way they imagine it. All these popups are the most radical way to interpret the explicit consent demanded by regulations when sending data to a 3rd party. An ongoing provocation by the ad/tracker industry to blame their ruthless data hoarding on the EU. The official EU website has one of these annoying pop-ups. Are they part of the pr…

If you click on the cookies explainer you'll see that they actually use a shitton of cookies:

https://european-union.europa.eu/cookies_en

Instead of that cookie banner they could just not have visitors connect to all those 3rd party services that use cookies to track users!

Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

#63
>So stop blaming "the EU" and ask yourself if this is the internet we want.

...Yes, thats exactly the internet "we" want. I don't get why it so hard to accept that people simply dgaf about privacy, and much prefer free products online paid for by ads. And there is nothing wrong with that, because for those that actually care about privacy, there are plenty of tools.

Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

#64
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I blame the businesses for destroying the social fabric of the internet, and I simultaneously blame the EU for implementing pointless regulations that do not solve the first problem while making life miserable for its subjects.

Businesses: destroy the social fabric of the internet Regulation, literally: do not collect people's data without their consent if you don't require that data for services you provide. Applies in equal measure to websites, banks, grocery stores, shit processing plants and nuclear power stations. ... 4ad: I still blame the EU, and it's a pointless regulation. Edit: This comment really says it much better: https://news…

You seem to think that the EU should be imune from criticism because it tries to do the right thing.

No, when politicians make things worse and absolutely don't solve any problem they promised they will solve then they should be held accountable, removed from positions of power, and replaced with competent people who write better regulation.

Edit to your edit: indeed, the EU is mostly about making people miserable while convincing them it's actually better for them.

Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

#65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a side note: cookie management is just A PART of RGPD, that is based on personal information. So RGPD implies to inform the user about the ways their information is used, how it can be accessed, modified, deleted and so...

It's GDPR as in General Data Protection Regulation.

I guess OP is French, they use different word orders for almost anything, ie: DNA: AND.

Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

#66

The vast majority of people DO NOT care about cookies nor do they care about trackers. However, there is a very real productivity loss with all the cookie prompts - both trying to implement them, getting around them, and the billions of people who have to click on them every single day. We've got to come up with a better solution.

Most people do not care because they don't really see/understand how it affect them. Just like most people probably don't care about HVAC regulation, welding regulation for system under pressure and other very technical field.

They will see the issue and care about it when something happen. We have a lot of regulation about welding under high pressure because we know from experience what happen when we have no rules (things go boom).

What happen when we have no regulation about tracker ? We get massive data leaks from poorly secured data hoarding company (hello Equifax). This is dangerous in many many ways: Identity theft, scam & spam, identifying people with certain political view, from a minority of some sort, etc... GDPR does not solve all this issue, some company can still hoard massive amount of data about you (it is always scary to ask for a data extraction from Meta, Twitter, ... and how you have a "profile") and have bad security, but it does limit in how many hand this data circulate and how easy it is to gain access to.

Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

#67

Actually it's a bit more complex (but not much) than what is described: 1st party may need user consent when they will use personal datas for something that is not the intended service (legitimate use). For example, for a shopping cart: cookies are necessary for the service, so no problem. For fraud detection : no problem because it's a legitimate use. But if you start tracking with a user cookie what pages your user…

> if you start tracking with a user cookie what pages your users are viewing (statistics collection), then... you need the user consent What about if you're Amazon and you want to show 'people who bought this also bought this' content? Then the tracking is necessary.

Why? Just store lists of bought product ids in its own database, then compute some statistics on it. Zero customer or user involvement is needed in that process.

Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

#68

The problem is that GDPR doesn't go far enough. It should completely prohibit third party tracking without the possibility to agree to it. Third party cookies/tracking simply should not exist.

The GDPR goes far enough and even prohibits dark patterns and annoying the user into accepting. Making the "decline" option harder to find is not compliant for example.

The problem is a chronic lack of enforcement that allowed websites (and entire companies such as TrustArc/etc) to implement these malicious pseudo-compliant solutions and get away with it, at the expense of everyone's privacy and sanity.

Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

#69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a side note: cookie management is just A PART of RGPD, that is based on personal information. So RGPD implies to inform the user about the ways their information is used, how it can be accessed, modified, deleted and so...

It's GDPR as in General Data Protection Regulation.

Or RGPD as in "Règlement Général sur la Protection des Données" (French).

Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

#70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a side note: cookie management is just A PART of RGPD, that is based on personal information. So RGPD implies to inform the user about the ways their information is used, how it can be accessed, modified, deleted and so...

It's GDPR as in General Data Protection Regulation.

Or RGPD as in Règlement général sur la protection des données
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