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Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by hombre_fatal »

dmix wrote: post #242
tifadg1 wrote: post #139

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I now only google when I need to sometimes verify that what chatgpt is suggesting isn't BS and I'm immediately reminded that google is barely better between SEO content farms, SEO SO scrappers, legacy information from 10 years ago. And that's with ads blocked. Between chatgpt+ for general guidelines and copilot for specific implementation details, programming feels very fun and alive. And I'm very skeptical to subscr…

The response speed of GPT isn't fast enough for me to want to use it like Google. Even with plus.

Even though Google returns results instantly, for most things I still have to evaluate and click links and skim them for the information I want. Sometimes I have to do multiple searches (like one for retinol and another for beta-carotene in the following example).

Yesterday I heard about retinol (vitamin A) mentioned in a nutrition podcast. I know carrots are high in vitamin A, but I didn't think they had retinol, so I wanted to learn more about that.

I whipped out my phone and asked GPT-3 "retinol vs. the vitamin A in carrots" (something I know you usually can't ask Google).

A few seconds later, I learned that retinol is vitamin A's final form in the body, thus you get it directly from animal products, and beta-carotene—found in plants—is a precursor to retinol in the body.

I do these kinds of searches all day. One thing faster about GPT as well is that I don't have to consider the "query engineering" to make Google return what I want, I just ask GPT a question streamed from my consciousness.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by partiallypro »

o8o8o8o wrote: post #167

The rumour I keep hearing is that it's like the Hunger Games inside Google at the moment. Total chaos and infighting at all levels, investors are freaking out over AI and Bard's middling performance compared to OpenAI and blood is in the water. Sundar may be forced to resign and Larry/Sergei deployed to rescue the company.

On a related note, I wonder how soon we'll see a "copilot" for Microsoft Azure that does deployments etc using AI, even piping it into Azure CLI.

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Post by nunez »

i_have_an_idea wrote: post #204
o8o8o8o wrote: post #167

The rumour I keep hearing is that it's like the Hunger Games inside Google at the moment. Total chaos and infighting at all levels, investors are freaking out over AI and Bard's middling performance compared to OpenAI and blood is in the water. Sundar may be forced to resign and Larry/Sergei deployed to rescue the company.

Well, Sundar and Google leadership have been massively outmaneuvered here by both Nadella and OpenAI. It's really quite embarrassing, particularly in the context of the fact that Google was the undisputed leader in AI for over a decade. As a Alphabet shareholder, I won't be sad to see Sundar go.

I agree.

How could the company that is working on Google Brain and DeepMind slip up THIS badly on their own home turf?

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by uejfiweun »

I've been using ChatGPT for a personal project, just a website with some interactive content. Integrating ChatGPT into my workflow boosted my productivity by a factor of 10. Instead of slowly formulating a plan in my head, looking up how to implement different parts piece by piece, and coming through docs, I simply told ChatGPT what the goals of my project were, and asked it to come up with a base. It literally spit HTML, CSS, and JS at me that worked the first try (for the base). It's not quite at the level where it can do the full project, but it is astoundingly competent at implementing pieces of it, and that is truly revolutionary.

In a nutshell, a project that would have taken me a week took me a day. I'm sold.

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Post by Dalewyn »

itsmartapuntocm wrote: post #378
Aunche wrote: post #357

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Stadia is a perfect example of Google's risk aversion. Microsoft invested billions on the XBox from the start, and spent over a billion dollars just to buy Minecraft, but Stadia didn't make an effort to secure even a single AAA exclusive. The same goes for YouTube exclusives. Netflix and Amazon spent hundreds of millions on flops like Marco Polo and Rings of Power. Meanwhile, the only notable series that came out of…

Microsoft learned the hard way that the platform doesn’t mean anything if you don’t have the games to bring people to it. It’s why they’ve spent billions left and right to acquire studios and publishers.

It's also why Microsoft is downright legendary when it comes to Windows backwards compatibility.

They are very aware Windows is nothing without the literal decades of software available for it.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by huseyinkeles »

nicce wrote: post #403
huseyinkeles wrote: post #388

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Bing chat is using GPT-4 and does provide sources. Also, it has access to the internet, so I am able to ask about very recent movies etc.

Didn’t it just cite Hacker News comment and Bard… there is still some work to do.

Well, you still need to do your diligence. At least you have a link to the source.

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Post by mcast »

WXLCKNO wrote: post #396
sliken wrote: post #384

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I've had a google home since early on and was really impressed how well it worked. Dramatically better than apple or amazon at the time. You could ask it complex questions and it would go find results for you, not just "We found a website..." Could ask things like "what are the differences in dimension between a 2004 Subaru WRX and forester". "Last 5 movies with a given actor/director". It would be funny, snarky, fri…

I stopped using my Google home when it started adding stuff like "by the way, if you ever wanna X you can ask me Y" when I just wanted the weather or the time. Horrible.

Unfortunately, Alexa does this too.

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Post by nunez »

dataflow wrote: post #342
crop_rotation wrote: post #335

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Azure is a functioning newish business. The difference is Microsoft already has a very diversified revenue stream. Google only has search.

In what sense is Azure "newish"? It started around 2008 IIUC, just like Android.

It "started" in 2008 as just an app platform for .NET apps in the cloud called Windows Azure.

The move to become a cloud provider happened, I want to say, in 2015-ish.

You couldn't even get VMs on Azure for the longest time, and their VM service reached parity with AWS very recently.

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Post by everdrive »

woeirua wrote: post #410
antipaul wrote: post #273

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Need a wartime CEO, right? https://a16z.com/2011/04/14/peacetime-ceo-wartime-ceo/ Although personally, I’m not seeing chatGPT bulldoze the world just yet. They need to monetize it, which means ads. Are they better at ads than the others? It’s not a given Is it ok to predict that, like so many things before, the noise of chatGPT will die out more quickly than we imagine?

GPT4s killer revenue stream isn't selling ads on keyword searches. It's selling access to a general compute engine that can take text and do useful things with it. The API is dead simple to use, and all you have to do is just change a line of text to "upgrade" to the newest models over time. (By the way, the upgrade from ChatGPT -> GPT4 is huge). Google should be deathly afraid of this. Not because Microsoft is going…

The internet you’re describing sounds like hell on earth. I don’t want to talk to an llm.
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