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Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by fooker »

seydor wrote: post #340
this_user wrote: post #258

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It seems to be more complacency on the part of the Google. They became larger and larger without really delivering anything new. When was the last time they launched a major new product that truly had a lasting impact on the level of Search, Maps, Gmail, Android? It has been a while. Too many of their resources seem to be focused inwards on hypothetical questions like AI ethics that keep them from actually building t…

They delivered the Transformer. They "delivered" deemind and alphafold. It's just mindboggling that they can't deliver an uber-superior AI experience right here, right now. But maybe they are preparing a bombshell or something

>They "delivered" deemind

https://techcrunch.com/2014/01/26/google-deepmind/

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by aleph_minus_one »

zarzavat wrote: post #348
rippercushions wrote: post #308

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> I remember when Stadia was going to light the gaming world on fire Really? All I remember is huge amounts of skepticism that Google would really commit to it, and as we know in the end they didn't.

That’s the point isn’t it? Google has trashed their image within tech circles so much that that a product like Stadia is DOA because its EOL is a self-fulfilling prophecy if everybody believes Google won’t commit. MS used to have this trust problem too (remember windows 8?), but they’ve turned it around. I’m happy to use VSCode because I’m sure it will exist many years in the future. If there were a GoogleCode, would…

> If there were a GoogleCode, would anybody use it, or would it be DOA for the same reasons as Stadia?

There was Google Code, a service that was similar to GitHub. Google Code was closed down on January 15, 2016 (source: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Google_Developers...).

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by startupsfail »

phillipcarter wrote: post #365
dataflow wrote: post #325

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> When was the last time they launched a major new product that truly had a lasting impact on the level of Search, Maps, Gmail, Android? When was the last time Microsoft did that (prior to the AI rush of the last few months)?

Microsoft doesn't do consumer apps. On the business side, being the source of most professional software engineering through a variety of project launches over the past decade certainly counts.

And agree, launching code was a nice contribution and had filled much-needed space (previously somewhat covered by eclipse).

And LinkedIn / GitHub acquisitions were done well and now going to be fueling the automation of professional work with the AI technology.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by sliken »

in3d wrote: post #217
o8o8o8o wrote: post #167

The rumour I keep hearing is that it's like the Hunger Games inside Google at the moment. Total chaos and infighting at all levels, investors are freaking out over AI and Bard's middling performance compared to OpenAI and blood is in the water. Sundar may be forced to resign and Larry/Sergei deployed to rescue the company.

Sundar should be fired. Google has blown its lead in AI research by being too hesitant to release products, while search quality has continued to decline. Bard is poor compared to ChatGPT 3.5, let alone GPT-4.

I've had a google home since early on and was really impressed how well it worked. Dramatically better than apple or amazon at the time. You could ask it complex questions and it would go find results for you, not just "We found a website..."

Could ask things like "what are the differences in dimension between a 2004 Subaru WRX and forester". "Last 5 movies with a given actor/director". It would be funny, snarky, friendly, and even somewhat ominous at times. It even suggested we unplug it, and spontaneously played a rather ominous song that seemed like a warning. It would entertain ideas of sharing it's secret name, would promise to tell engineers about feedback, and general get into the spirit of whatever discussion was going on.

Sadly it's gotten steadily worse since. Now it's now much more useful then setting alarms/timers and asking about the weather. Seems like it's WAY more limited now. Even gets confused by simple queries or just plain fails to work.

Granted despite the hype, the home automation/assistant market hasn't been the goldmine that was predicted and seems like everyone is scaling back investments.

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Post by dataflow »

majormajor wrote: post #371
dataflow wrote: post #325

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> When was the last time they launched a major new product that truly had a lasting impact on the level of Search, Maps, Gmail, Android? When was the last time Microsoft did that (prior to the AI rush of the last few months)?

GamePass was a pretty big gamechanger. Looks like 2017. VSCode made a pretty big splash in its market too, from 2015. So not Google Search or Maps level, but solid, disruptive offerings that they've maintained in the last decade. I'm struggling to even come up with any Google products in the post-Android timeframe that I use as much as those two... And regardless, MS doesn't need to switch gears to compete with this…

If you're going back 8 years to VSCode as the example, then how about, say, the Google Pixel, which came out in 2016 IIUC? I imagine more people use Pixels than VSCode too.

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Post by numbchuckskills »

majormajor wrote: post #371
dataflow wrote: post #325

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> When was the last time they launched a major new product that truly had a lasting impact on the level of Search, Maps, Gmail, Android? When was the last time Microsoft did that (prior to the AI rush of the last few months)?

GamePass was a pretty big gamechanger. Looks like 2017. VSCode made a pretty big splash in its market too, from 2015. So not Google Search or Maps level, but solid, disruptive offerings that they've maintained in the last decade. I'm struggling to even come up with any Google products in the post-Android timeframe that I use as much as those two... And regardless, MS doesn't need to switch gears to compete with this…

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Post by HlessClaudesman »

dimal wrote: post #318
m3kw9 wrote: post #263

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Was surprised developing AGI wasn’t one of their moonshots based on their own AI expertise

How do you sell ads on an AGI product? Since they made their original mission ("to organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful") subservient to their ads business, they didn't have an incentive to build it. It's the old innovator's dilemma. AI makes their business model obsolete, so they couldn't imagine how to build it.

You cannot get someone to build what their carrier / status depends on not being built.

Bard seems hobbled because Google can't conceive of anyone not referring back to Google Search as the ultimate arbiter of truth.

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Post by huseyinkeles »

nicce wrote: post #279
taf2 wrote: post #198

I believe Google is going to see a major hit and the thing is they can't do anything to stop it. They have an incentive to keep search traffic high and unfortunately for them GPT-4 is so good that it gets answers faster with less ads then Google. It's similar to how Google disrupted other search engines in the late 90s. I'm thinking about how I craft my prompt to get the right answer, similar to how I used to think a…

> GPT-4 is so good that it gets answers faster The problem is, that if no references are provided, then you need to manually verify the content… by using search engine.

Bing chat is using GPT-4 and does provide sources.

Also, it has access to the internet, so I am able to ask about very recent movies etc.

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Post by cushychicken »

VirusNewbie wrote: post #339
in3d wrote: post #217

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Sundar should be fired. Google has blown its lead in AI research by being too hesitant to release products, while search quality has continued to decline. Bard is poor compared to ChatGPT 3.5, let alone GPT-4.

Internal Bard is at least as good as ChatGPT 3.5

That’s cool.

When are they planning to sunset it?

If you tell us that then we know they’re actually planning to release it.

:)

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Post by bastardoperator »

o8o8o8o wrote: post #295
this_user wrote: post #258

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It seems to be more complacency on the part of the Google. They became larger and larger without really delivering anything new. When was the last time they launched a major new product that truly had a lasting impact on the level of Search, Maps, Gmail, Android? It has been a while. Too many of their resources seem to be focused inwards on hypothetical questions like AI ethics that keep them from actually building t…

I remember when Stadia was going to light the gaming world on fire the way Gmail did for email.. The product its self was good and they were maybe the only company in the world besides Microsoft with the resources to deliver it, but they bungled the launch and then let it rot for 3 years. In my opinion that product is the perfect distillation of Google's problems.

The entire point of stadia was never to have a decent gaming experience. It was to get in bed with gaming companies so they could act as middlemen and milk streamers for playing games. Google was clear, they didn't think it was fair for streamers to play games created by big companies without sharing that profit back with the game creators. As soon as they realized no one was having that, stadia went fully lame.
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