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OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Google trends shows a different picture: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=now%201-d&q=%2... Close to no change Who to trust?

Assuming this is not a troll, google trends measures how often people search something on google. The URL you linked shows how often people search the word 'Bing' on google.

If Bing has an uptick, that doesn't necessarily mean that they first go to Google to find Bing and then do their actual search.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

#162
two issues w/ AI chatbot that I can think of

1. Speed, google give me a sub-second result for my query, chatbot requires a few second.

2. Content restriction. As shown with chatgpt, chatbot (or other new platform) restricts contents like NSFW, violence, etc. Even TikTok forbids words like suicide, kills to the point they use substitute words like unalive .

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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I agree with your sentiment exactly. But your comment made me think about this an interesting way that I hadn’t thought about before, that made me better understand why I am “anti-GPT search”. All the same things that the model makes an effort to “understand” are things that can contribute to your own understanding. When it “understands”, you do not. You get the summary and miss out on a great amount of nuance that c…

A great quote from an article I read on HN recently > Suppose I was an evil person and wanted to eliminate the curiosity of children. Give the kid a diet of Google, and pretty soon the child learns that every question he has is answered instantly. The coolest thing about being human is to learn, but you don’t learn things by looking it up; you learn by figuring it out.

This is silly. You could extrapolate the same argument to use against Libraries.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

#164

This might be a trope here, but recently I noticed that the quality of search results has degraded quite a bit for me. When I e.g. search for Golang-related content (often I want just the official docs of a module like net/http) I get all these developer-focused, SEO-optimized blogs that are kind of helpful but often not, and I have to scroll all the way down to get the official docs. I really wonder if that has to d…

I now only google when I need to sometimes verify that what chatgpt is suggesting isn't BS and I'm immediately reminded that google is barely better between SEO content farms, SEO SO scrappers, legacy information from 10 years ago. And that's with ads blocked. Between chatgpt+ for general guidelines and copilot for specific implementation details, programming feels very fun and alive. And I'm very skeptical to subscr…

I still cant believe google thought they could ruin the internet like that and continue to dominate search

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

#165

While I agree with a bunch of other comments that are interested to see what happens in the long term, to me, all of this points to some profound organizational and cultural problems at Google. I base that statement on things I see as an external observer, from posts I've seen from current/ex-Googlers here on HN, and from some (albeit brief) conversations I've had with some of these folks. If a decade ago you told me…

> Would be curious to hear from some Googlers on their thoughts. I'm sure, internally, a lot of it must feel like piling on from the outside, but in all honestly it really feels to me like a classic case of "big company that lost its way

Former Googler, opinions are my own. They haven't lost their way technologically - as you mentioned they invented the Transformer - and internally Google has long had language models that rival ChatGPT in sheer size and coherence of responses (hallucinations and all). Bard is an intentionally toned down version of LamDa.

The reason they didn't release their LLM earlier was likely due to the serious brand risk associated with making it part of Google search. Bing/ChatGPT had no such brand risk, and released their LLMs using the "There's no such thing as bad publicity" logic. That works great as a wrecking ball, but it's not a long term product strategy.

So the real institutional problem at Google isn't lack of technological innovation, it's the inability to take major product risks, especially in anything adjacent to Search.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

#166
I have been using Neeva for few weeks and have been able to stick with it without needing Google too often. Still need to Google when I am searching for things like a restaurant but other than that Neeva has been fairly good.

Their AI summaries are helpful most of the times, and SEO spam seems less.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

#167
The rumour I keep hearing is that it's like the Hunger Games inside Google at the moment. Total chaos and infighting at all levels, investors are freaking out over AI and Bard's middling performance compared to OpenAI and blood is in the water. Sundar may be forced to resign and Larry/Sergei deployed to rescue the company.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

#168

Sad day for me. Bing actually gives you points to search on their engine. I just cashed in a bunch of points for a $100 gift card. My guess is this program will go away if Bing becomes more popular.

What the rate for you? Because for me its 15k points for 10 USD.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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But what can replace Google? Is there another search engine with stunningly relevant results like the early days of Google?

Bing is on it's way in that direction. Microsoft needed something big to make Bing relevant again. This could potentially be it. Will they eat all of Google's lunch? Probably not, but if they can begin to chip away at the insane share (93%+) of the marketplace that Google controls, then it can only be for the betterment of the Internet.

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Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

#170

Only 15%? I would have expected 1000% increase or so

Right? I'd have been entirely unsurprised if Bing saw a 100% increase, given how buzzy all this has been. (Finally, an actual reason to use Bing!) 15% seems like a failure.
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