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Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by Sai_ »

stevepike wrote: post #129
gambiting wrote: post #28

Maybe because Google is actual trash and it went from being the best search engine to being an SEO-infested desert of a search, where your query is interpreted however they want not how you want. Latest example from today - search for "micropython html parser" - 100% of results are about normal python not micropython, with the first 4 results being for generic paid programming courses. It's completely useless as a se…

I don't know why people are picking on your specific search. Try turning off your ad blocker and searching for "zoom download".

I trieD this in both DDG and Google (using the !g macro with DDG).

DDG first page of results all pointed to zoom.us links. Google (mediated through DDG !g) contained all sorts of spam links to sites like subdomains of uptown.com.

Crazy.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by CorrectHorseBat »

tines wrote: post #40
gambiting wrote: post #28

Maybe because Google is actual trash and it went from being the best search engine to being an SEO-infested desert of a search, where your query is interpreted however they want not how you want. Latest example from today - search for "micropython html parser" - 100% of results are about normal python not micropython, with the first 4 results being for generic paid programming courses. It's completely useless as a se…

I just performed that search in Google and the top two results are links to PyPI and Snyk packages for micropython-html.parser. The third result is a link to python.org documentation for html.parser (not micropython). Bing returns the result for PyPI and the one for the non-micropython python.org result. I don't see a big difference here (except maybe me learning about Snyk through google and not Bing?).

I think it's more that Google has gotten noticeably worse, not that Bing has gotten better.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by penneyd »

gtm1260 wrote: post #91
gambiting wrote: post #28

Maybe because Google is actual trash and it went from being the best search engine to being an SEO-infested desert of a search, where your query is interpreted however they want not how you want. Latest example from today - search for "micropython html parser" - 100% of results are about normal python not micropython, with the first 4 results being for generic paid programming courses. It's completely useless as a se…

My mental model has totally shifted to the point where even like dealing with stack overflow feels like a pain compared to just asking gpt-4.

Yet without stackoverflow chatgpt wouldn't be particularly helpful

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by i_have_an_idea »

o8o8o8o wrote: post #167

The rumour I keep hearing is that it's like the Hunger Games inside Google at the moment. Total chaos and infighting at all levels, investors are freaking out over AI and Bard's middling performance compared to OpenAI and blood is in the water. Sundar may be forced to resign and Larry/Sergei deployed to rescue the company.

Well, Sundar and Google leadership have been massively outmaneuvered here by both Nadella and OpenAI. It's really quite embarrassing, particularly in the context of the fact that Google was the undisputed leader in AI for over a decade.

As a Alphabet shareholder, I won't be sad to see Sundar go.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by bombela »

thfuran wrote: post #96
at_a_remove wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amen. Buried, unknown to most, Google used to have a similar AROUND(n) syntax. No idea if it still is respected. Google seems to have refocused around returning any result out of a set of popular links rather than deep dives. It feels like I must quote every term I enter now.

And quoting terms doesn't even force them to be present anymore.

I have noticed that too. Google has become so useless. And with all the little knowledge stuck behind reddit dark patterns, discord locked and utterly unsearchable world. And the modern forum stuff a mess of slow JavaScript that loads on demand. It's like finding knowledge is a fine sand fallings between the fingers. YouTube has some bit of interesting content, but it's 10min for 30s of info plastered with sponsored content. And finding something is harder and harder. ChatGPT and the like won't resist long becoming the same.

My only hope is that it will eventually bring back the notion of trust. Naybe finding a programming job will be harder outside of your network of friends. But won't require silly interviews anymore. Maybe we will get back to lifelong tenure at work?

Anyways I am just rambling here. What do I know anyways.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by spaceman_2020 »

gambiting wrote: post #28

Maybe because Google is actual trash and it went from being the best search engine to being an SEO-infested desert of a search, where your query is interpreted however they want not how you want. Latest example from today - search for "micropython html parser" - 100% of results are about normal python not micropython, with the first 4 results being for generic paid programming courses. It's completely useless as a se…

It's absurd how Google will simply ignore the keywords in my search to feed me whatever it's trash algorithm decided fits my search.

And the decline in Google Maps has been shocking. Maps has gone from always reliable to being "trust it if you like wasting time and burning fuel" bad.

I don't know what the hell happened at Google, but it ain't pretty.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by jeffbee »

tapland wrote: post #143
jeffbee wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google can incorporate quality signals in near real time. Those signals include leaving and immediately returning to the SERP. So us discussing these particular results could have already influenced them.

This comment thread is now #6 and #7 for me

Freshdocs is incredible. A lot of people are stuck in the old mental model where Google released a new index every month.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

echelon wrote: post #106
jjoonathan wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The moment Google removed the yellow highlight on ads, their fate was sealed. They lived long enough to become the villain.

I'm of the opinion that it should be illegal for companies to offer the ability to buy ads for registered product names or trademarks. Google, Amazon, and Apple all allow trademark and product name squatting. It's gross and abusive. Generic terms? Sure. But actual trade names for products? That's extortion. These services aren't helping in discovery if the customer already knows the name. They're merely forcing thems…

> I'm of the opinion that it should be illegal for companies to offer the ability to buy ads for registered product names or trademarks.

I'm of the opinion ads themselves should be illegal. Companies can "advertise" in a catalog I can choose to look at, but would no longer be allowed to invade my attention with their bullshit constantly.

We've let marketers ruin too many good things as it is, lets just kill off the entire industry for the good of society.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by spaceman_2020 »

gtm1260 wrote: post #91
gambiting wrote: post #28

Maybe because Google is actual trash and it went from being the best search engine to being an SEO-infested desert of a search, where your query is interpreted however they want not how you want. Latest example from today - search for "micropython html parser" - 100% of results are about normal python not micropython, with the first 4 results being for generic paid programming courses. It's completely useless as a se…

My mental model has totally shifted to the point where even like dealing with stack overflow feels like a pain compared to just asking gpt-4.

Doesn't help that many Stackoverflow results at the top of Google had their last answers in...2015.
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