Look google aint the best but I tried bing for a day and still hated it and an AI chatbot that spews out incorrect info atm isn't gonna change my behavior lol
OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google
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Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google
#112Maybe because Google is actual trash and it went from being the best search engine to being an SEO-infested desert of a search, where your query is interpreted however they want not how you want. Latest example from today - search for "micropython html parser" - 100% of results are about normal python not micropython, with the first 4 results being for generic paid programming courses. It's completely useless as a se…
For those old enough to remember, it's exactly the reason why Google took Yahoo's place back when.
Not really. Yahoo was selling every search result slot. There was no quality to it at all. It was all paid.
Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google
#113Users have to sign in with a Microsoft account to use this. Is that the future? You have to sign up to search? It takes more resources per query to run AI-based search than a search engine. Everybody offering ChatGPT type systems is either pay per view or heavily throttled. We may be in the last days of free search as the dominant product.
As Cookies die, Sign-up will rise.
Mark my words.
Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google
#114Why should I trust these random charts? Where do you get the data from? Feels like sponsored fake news by bing
Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google
#115I am one of the people that installed the Bing app because I was told that it would bump me up the waitlist for Bing Chat. I have not used it at all, and this is a reminder that I should probably uninstall it. I have access to ChatGPT, Bard, Alpaca etc. and there’s very little reason at this point to pretend to use Bing in order to get a crack at Chat.
ChatGPT doesn't have the browsing plugin enabled yet. Bing can both search/browse the web and generate images interactively by using DALL-E API. There are several drawbacks like a more strict system pre-prompt, 15 messages limit for conversations, and some kind of 24 hours ratelimiting if you use it too often.
Yeah, there are some differences in capabilities, but they seem to get slimmer on a daily basis.
Want an LLM-enhanced search? perplexity.ai is actually pretty cool
Want to generate images? There are a ton of free Stable Diffusion sites (for example you.com has that built into their chat), or run it yourself.
Want a neat chat experience? ChatGPT is free, Bard appears to have a shorter waiting list than Bing, and Alpaca runs on regular hardware.
Bing doesn’t have a big enough moat to force me into using their app. The LLM space is legit competitive and a company can be ahead in the morning and left in the dust by the afternoon. In my opinion, this is what’s happening with Bing at present.
Who knows though? Bing might make Chat open while I’m writing this sentence and I’ll have to adjust my opinion accordingly.
Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google
#116Maybe because Google is actual trash and it went from being the best search engine to being an SEO-infested desert of a search, where your query is interpreted however they want not how you want. Latest example from today - search for "micropython html parser" - 100% of results are about normal python not micropython, with the first 4 results being for generic paid programming courses. It's completely useless as a se…
I looked up "Xfinity chat with agent" on Google and was shown three different scam numbers of companies posing as Comcast...
Sounds like you have some malware on your machine. My first result is https://www.xfinity.com/chat/
Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google
#117I feel like I’m missing out on something but other than to summarize text or fill pointless and lazy homework assignments I don’t have much of a use of gpt search. I think I have a trust issue with it and I rather get the raw result and process it myself than to believe that what this model “understood” is right. Anyone else feels this way?
I certainly have the trust issues for things where correctness matters. For things were it doesn't and I already know how to do something but don't have it memorized, I think it is very very convenient.
I use it various times a week for cooking. E.g. "basic recipe bechamel sauce in metric"
ChatGPT: Within a couple seconds I get the ingredients in metric and a step by step guide.
Google: The provided summaries are useless to me since they are not in metric. So I have to click on a link and then start scrolling around all the noise of history of bechamel sauce, anecdotes about someones grandparents, pretty pictures, etc to find the actual information. Without ad blocker it would be an even bigger nightmare.
Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google
#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
I just performed that search in Google and the top two results are links to PyPI and Snyk packages for micropython-html.parser. The third result is a link to python.org documentation for html.parser (not micropython). Bing returns the result for PyPI and the one for the non-micropython python.org result. I don't see a big difference here (except maybe me learning about Snyk through google and not Bing?).
I also get the same result when logged-in and incognito. Others in the thread seem to get them also.
Google can incorporate quality signals in near real time. Those signals include leaving and immediately returning to the SERP. So us discussing these particular results could have already influenced them.
Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google
#119This might be a trope here, but recently I noticed that the quality of search results has degraded quite a bit for me. When I e.g. search for Golang-related content (often I want just the official docs of a module like net/http) I get all these developer-focused, SEO-optimized blogs that are kind of helpful but often not, and I have to scroll all the way down to get the official docs. I really wonder if that has to d…
My personal opinion is that this has nothing to do with SEO. All those developer-focused blogs serve Google ads, while the official Go documentation does not. Google is trying to boost revenue by promoting results with ads.
Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google
#120I feel like I’m missing out on something but other than to summarize text or fill pointless and lazy homework assignments I don’t have much of a use of gpt search. I think I have a trust issue with it and I rather get the raw result and process it myself than to believe that what this model “understood” is right. Anyone else feels this way?
I agree with your sentiment exactly. But your comment made me think about this an interesting way that I hadn’t thought about before, that made me better understand why I am “anti-GPT search”. All the same things that the model makes an effort to “understand” are things that can contribute to your own understanding. When it “understands”, you do not. You get the summary and miss out on a great amount of nuance that c…
A great quote from an article I read on HN recently
> Suppose I was an evil person and wanted to eliminate the curiosity of children. Give the kid a diet of Google, and pretty soon the child learns that every question he has is answered instantly. The coolest thing about being human is to learn, but you don’t learn things by looking it up; you learn by figuring it out.