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Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by samgtx »

seydor wrote: post #340
this_user wrote: post #258

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It seems to be more complacency on the part of the Google. They became larger and larger without really delivering anything new. When was the last time they launched a major new product that truly had a lasting impact on the level of Search, Maps, Gmail, Android? It has been a while. Too many of their resources seem to be focused inwards on hypothetical questions like AI ethics that keep them from actually building t…

They delivered the Transformer. They "delivered" deemind and alphafold. It's just mindboggling that they can't deliver an uber-superior AI experience right here, right now. But maybe they are preparing a bombshell or something

> But maybe they are preparing a bombshell or something

This is what I don't understand. Didn't they fire an employee for coming out and telling the world they had an AGI? Where is this LLM that convinced an employee it was alive?

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Post by nicce »

huseyinkeles wrote: post #388
nicce wrote: post #279

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> GPT-4 is so good that it gets answers faster The problem is, that if no references are provided, then you need to manually verify the content… by using search engine.

Bing chat is using GPT-4 and does provide sources. Also, it has access to the internet, so I am able to ask about very recent movies etc.

Didn’t it just cite Hacker News comment and Bard… there is still some work to do.

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Post by rvnx »

cushychicken wrote: post #389
VirusNewbie wrote: post #339

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Internal Bard is at least as good as ChatGPT 3.5

That’s cool. When are they planning to sunset it? If you tell us that then we know they’re actually planning to release it. :)

Different people asked Bard about it: https://twitter.com/killedbygoogle/status/163831100502438707...

or

"It is currently uncertain when Google Bard will be shutdown, as Google has not announced a specific date. However, given the recent announcement that Google will be shutting down its AI-powered writing tool after less than six months since its launch, it is likely that Google Bard will be shutdown within the next year."

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by KeplerBoy »

Aunche wrote: post #305
faeriechangling wrote: post #239

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Is Sundar a bad CEO or merely a mediocre one though? Who would replace him that could get the job done where Sundar failed? I think it's easier said than done to stay the undisputed leader in AI for over a decade even if your leadership is above-average. Still Sundar is mediocre at best, and I certainly think Google's shareholders should be looking for a new person to run the place. It's not just AI, Google's entire…

I don't think Sundar is bad per se. Rather, he is doing what most Googlers are doing which is resting and vesting off of that sweet ad money. It's unlikely that GPT is as monetizable as ads, so it's possible that he still loses even if he wins the AI race. As for a better alternative I think that the Susan Wojcicki, the former CEO of YouTube, is highly underated. She made a lot of unpopular decisions for the public,…

imo bing chat (and similar gpt based systems) will be much better at placing ads than any conventional search engine ever was.

After all there you only get presented a handful of links at most and the chatbot can hype up the sponsored link.

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Post by ComplexSystems »

GeoAtreides wrote: post #303
swalsh wrote: post #127

I can't remember the last time I used Google. I use bing chat, and chatGPT for EVERYTHING. I guess I tried Bard briefly, but it was unimpressive. Most surprising statement I've made in 2023 to be honest.

> I use bing chat, and chatGPT for EVERYTHING. So you trust EVERYTHING bing chat and chatGPT are telling you? No double-checking at all?

If you're talking to Bing Chat and want to double check something, why would you switch to Google? You'd just search for the results yourself in Bing, not to mention that Bing also gives you the relevant search results right there in the chat.

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Post by crop_rotation »

dataflow wrote: post #342
crop_rotation wrote: post #335

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Azure is a functioning newish business. The difference is Microsoft already has a very diversified revenue stream. Google only has search.

In what sense is Azure "newish"? It started around 2008 IIUC, just like Android.

It is newish in the sense of business size. It might have been created in 2008 but it has grown only recently to a point where it can be seen as a separate independent business.

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Post by debatem1 »

dataflow wrote: post #385
majormajor wrote: post #371

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GamePass was a pretty big gamechanger. Looks like 2017. VSCode made a pretty big splash in its market too, from 2015. So not Google Search or Maps level, but solid, disruptive offerings that they've maintained in the last decade. I'm struggling to even come up with any Google products in the post-Android timeframe that I use as much as those two... And regardless, MS doesn't need to switch gears to compete with this…

If you're going back 8 years to VSCode as the example, then how about, say, the Google Pixel, which came out in 2016 IIUC? I imagine more people use Pixels than VSCode too.

The Pixel line was rebranded from the Nexus phones, which started in 2010.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by woeirua »

antipaul wrote: post #273
o8o8o8o wrote: post #167

The rumour I keep hearing is that it's like the Hunger Games inside Google at the moment. Total chaos and infighting at all levels, investors are freaking out over AI and Bard's middling performance compared to OpenAI and blood is in the water. Sundar may be forced to resign and Larry/Sergei deployed to rescue the company.

Need a wartime CEO, right? https://a16z.com/2011/04/14/peacetime-ceo-wartime-ceo/ Although personally, I’m not seeing chatGPT bulldoze the world just yet. They need to monetize it, which means ads. Are they better at ads than the others? It’s not a given Is it ok to predict that, like so many things before, the noise of chatGPT will die out more quickly than we imagine?

GPT4s killer revenue stream isn't selling ads on keyword searches. It's selling access to a general compute engine that can take text and do useful things with it. The API is dead simple to use, and all you have to do is just change a line of text to "upgrade" to the newest models over time. (By the way, the upgrade from ChatGPT -> GPT4 is huge).

Google should be deathly afraid of this. Not because Microsoft is going to replace them with Bing. But because, GPT is going to be in every major software product that's connected to the internet within a few years. By the end of the decade if not sooner agents powered by LLMs will be the primary mode of interacting with the internet. Going to Google.com or whatever to search for an answer is done. You'll just ask Siri 3.0 and the answer will be good enough.

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