Last time I used bing on my grandparents laptop it sent me to scammers instead of the largest cell carrier in the country. AI or not AI, unfocused engineering has no cure
OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google
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Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google
#302Earlier quoted context omitted.
But what can replace Google? Is there another search engine with stunningly relevant results like the early days of Google?
No, but there are other search engines that aren't any worse than Google. And, apparently depending on the style of your search terms or what you're searching for, one or two are better. I get noticeably better results from DDG, but I know that a lot of other people don't. I can only speculate that the difference must be search terms or topics.
I made DDG my default and was surprised by how well it works how. I do believe it sources many of it's results from Bing.
For what it fails to find well I just prepend !g to my query and have it bounce me over to Google.
Google results are more often then not trash now, so I don't think the bar is too high for competitors now.
Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google
#303I can't remember the last time I used Google. I use bing chat, and chatGPT for EVERYTHING. I guess I tried Bard briefly, but it was unimpressive. Most surprising statement I've made in 2023 to be honest.
> I use bing chat, and chatGPT for EVERYTHING.
So you trust EVERYTHING bing chat and chatGPT are telling you? No double-checking at all?
Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google
#304Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, Sundar and Google leadership have been massively outmaneuvered here by both Nadella and OpenAI. It's really quite embarrassing, particularly in the context of the fact that Google was the undisputed leader in AI for over a decade. As a Alphabet shareholder, I won't be sad to see Sundar go.
It seems to be more complacency on the part of the Google. They became larger and larger without really delivering anything new. When was the last time they launched a major new product that truly had a lasting impact on the level of Search, Maps, Gmail, Android? It has been a while. Too many of their resources seem to be focused inwards on hypothetical questions like AI ethics that keep them from actually building t…
MS had same problem under ballmer. Complacency starts at top.
Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google
#305Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, Sundar and Google leadership have been massively outmaneuvered here by both Nadella and OpenAI. It's really quite embarrassing, particularly in the context of the fact that Google was the undisputed leader in AI for over a decade. As a Alphabet shareholder, I won't be sad to see Sundar go.
Is Sundar a bad CEO or merely a mediocre one though? Who would replace him that could get the job done where Sundar failed? I think it's easier said than done to stay the undisputed leader in AI for over a decade even if your leadership is above-average. Still Sundar is mediocre at best, and I certainly think Google's shareholders should be looking for a new person to run the place. It's not just AI, Google's entire…
I don't think Sundar is bad per se. Rather, he is doing what most Googlers are doing which is resting and vesting off of that sweet ad money. It's unlikely that GPT is as monetizable as ads, so it's possible that he still loses even if he wins the AI race.
As for a better alternative I think that the Susan Wojcicki, the former CEO of YouTube, is highly underated. She made a lot of unpopular decisions for the public, but all of them successfully protected YouTube from existential threats (copyright holders, advertisers, and TikTok).
Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google
#306I believe Google is going to see a major hit and the thing is they can't do anything to stop it. They have an incentive to keep search traffic high and unfortunately for them GPT-4 is so good that it gets answers faster with less ads then Google. It's similar to how Google disrupted other search engines in the late 90s. I'm thinking about how I craft my prompt to get the right answer, similar to how I used to think a…
> GPT-4 is so good that it gets answers faster The problem is, that if no references are provided, then you need to manually verify the content… by using search engine.
All this will be a solved problem soon enough.
Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google
#307I believe Google is going to see a major hit and the thing is they can't do anything to stop it. They have an incentive to keep search traffic high and unfortunately for them GPT-4 is so good that it gets answers faster with less ads then Google. It's similar to how Google disrupted other search engines in the late 90s. I'm thinking about how I craft my prompt to get the right answer, similar to how I used to think a…
> GPT-4 is so good that it gets answers faster The problem is, that if no references are provided, then you need to manually verify the content… by using search engine.
> you need to manually verify the content
Why wouldn’t the chat provide you with sources on request? They seem to be doing this e.g. with the Wolfram integration.
Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google
#308Earlier quoted context omitted.
It seems to be more complacency on the part of the Google. They became larger and larger without really delivering anything new. When was the last time they launched a major new product that truly had a lasting impact on the level of Search, Maps, Gmail, Android? It has been a while. Too many of their resources seem to be focused inwards on hypothetical questions like AI ethics that keep them from actually building t…
I remember when Stadia was going to light the gaming world on fire the way Gmail did for email.. The product its self was good and they were maybe the only company in the world besides Microsoft with the resources to deliver it, but they bungled the launch and then let it rot for 3 years. In my opinion that product is the perfect distillation of Google's problems.
> I remember when Stadia was going to light the gaming world on fire
Really? All I remember is huge amounts of skepticism that Google would really commit to it, and as we know in the end they didn't.
Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google
#309The rumour I keep hearing is that it's like the Hunger Games inside Google at the moment. Total chaos and infighting at all levels, investors are freaking out over AI and Bard's middling performance compared to OpenAI and blood is in the water. Sundar may be forced to resign and Larry/Sergei deployed to rescue the company.
Need a wartime CEO, right? https://a16z.com/2011/04/14/peacetime-ceo-wartime-ceo/ Although personally, I’m not seeing chatGPT bulldoze the world just yet. They need to monetize it, which means ads. Are they better at ads than the others? It’s not a given Is it ok to predict that, like so many things before, the noise of chatGPT will die out more quickly than we imagine?
> They need to monetize it, which means ads.
Why ads? Seems like they're going the service route. Are you predicting them to start targeting the masses and build search/assistants/etc?
Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google
#310Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, Sundar and Google leadership have been massively outmaneuvered here by both Nadella and OpenAI. It's really quite embarrassing, particularly in the context of the fact that Google was the undisputed leader in AI for over a decade. As a Alphabet shareholder, I won't be sad to see Sundar go.
It seems to be more complacency on the part of the Google. They became larger and larger without really delivering anything new. When was the last time they launched a major new product that truly had a lasting impact on the level of Search, Maps, Gmail, Android? It has been a while. Too many of their resources seem to be focused inwards on hypothetical questions like AI ethics that keep them from actually building t…
It’s a classic innovator’s dilemma no matter how successful they are at building stuff - there is no way Google will launch a product that eats 40% of their own lunch.