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OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by sorokod »

JohnMakin wrote: post #163
ambicapter wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A great quote from an article I read on HN recently > Suppose I was an evil person and wanted to eliminate the curiosity of children. Give the kid a diet of Google, and pretty soon the child learns that every question he has is answered instantly. The coolest thing about being human is to learn, but you don’t learn things by looking it up; you learn by figuring it out.

This is silly. You could extrapolate the same argument to use against Libraries.

Not silly, it's a quantity into quality thing.

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Post by AviationAtom »

chrsig wrote: post #231
AviationAtom wrote: post #186

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Microsoft is really still in their infancy of building out their end vision for AI in search. Right now it's roughly a chat bot that summarizes and gives references, without really tying into their core search well. Eventually it will negate the need to click through to many reference, then it will be better able to curate a list of alternative sources for what you seek. I think that's the big problem with AI as it s…

> Eventually it will negate the need to click through to many reference, then it will be better able to curate a list of alternative sources for what you seek. Doesn't that just kind of describe google now though?

I poorly worded that. I meant to say it will be able to answer most questions, but also refer you to the best sources for information that it can't provide.

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Post by [deleted] »

jocaal wrote: post #212
epistasis wrote: post #194

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This is exactly it. Google is trying to get people to stay on the pages they click, and they optimize for this behavior, not for utility or for quickly accessing information. If you go to a page and immediately find what you are looking for, Google interprets that as failure. This is why Bing and AI based search can completely beat Google web search, because they are trying to serve the searcher rather than serve ads…

The problem AI search has is monetization, openAI can't run gpu server farms to serve 100M customers for free forever. This was a problem that plagued early google as well, sergey and larry were against using ads for monetization, but in the end that i what drove the business to profitability

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Post by someNameIG »

favaq wrote: post #193
hbn wrote: post #65

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You can just install the app on your phone and use it

I'd rather install edge on my computer than type more than one sentence using my phone.

On iOS you can use voice search in the app.

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Post by o8o8o8o »

this_user wrote: post #258
i_have_an_idea wrote: post #204

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Well, Sundar and Google leadership have been massively outmaneuvered here by both Nadella and OpenAI. It's really quite embarrassing, particularly in the context of the fact that Google was the undisputed leader in AI for over a decade. As a Alphabet shareholder, I won't be sad to see Sundar go.

It seems to be more complacency on the part of the Google. They became larger and larger without really delivering anything new. When was the last time they launched a major new product that truly had a lasting impact on the level of Search, Maps, Gmail, Android? It has been a while. Too many of their resources seem to be focused inwards on hypothetical questions like AI ethics that keep them from actually building t…

I remember when Stadia was going to light the gaming world on fire the way Gmail did for email.. The product its self was good and they were maybe the only company in the world besides Microsoft with the resources to deliver it, but they bungled the launch and then let it rot for 3 years. In my opinion that product is the perfect distillation of Google's problems.

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Post by DesiLurker »

seydor wrote: post #47

It's also as if google decided to suicide themselves a bit earlier. Their results have really become crap lately. It keeps ignoring anything than 1-2 keywords. What's going on?

the thing that annoys me most is when it gives a list of completion suggestions & when I not-so-critically select one of them, only to realize it has changed something in the original search terms. Seriously F*k Google for that.

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Post by taf2 »

nicce wrote: post #279
taf2 wrote: post #198

I believe Google is going to see a major hit and the thing is they can't do anything to stop it. They have an incentive to keep search traffic high and unfortunately for them GPT-4 is so good that it gets answers faster with less ads then Google. It's similar to how Google disrupted other search engines in the late 90s. I'm thinking about how I craft my prompt to get the right answer, similar to how I used to think a…

> GPT-4 is so good that it gets answers faster The problem is, that if no references are provided, then you need to manually verify the content… by using search engine.

For code - I can read the code and verify myself... If I was asking whether the sky is blue or some other kind of "fact" based question sure... But really how is that different with search? I can look at the website and say ah I trust this website over that other website... I think it's a new flavor of "don't trust everything you hear on the TV" Or in more modern day "Don't trust everything you read on the internet", or "Don't trust everything you hear on social media"... It's just the next iteration... "Don't trust everything an AI tell you". That is no different from me learning from code i find via search but instead ask about via AI...

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Post by logifail »

gambiting wrote: post #28

Maybe because Google is actual trash and it went from being the best search engine to being an SEO-infested desert of a search, where your query is interpreted however they want not how you want. Latest example from today - search for "micropython html parser" - 100% of results are about normal python not micropython, with the first 4 results being for generic paid programming courses. It's completely useless as a se…

> Latest example from today - search for "micropython html parser" [..]

Are you entering the micropython search term in quotes in the Google search box, because I've found that's a moderately good way to get rid of the normal Python results.

My search terms for that search would probably be:

"micropython" html parser

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Post by ipaddr »

smoe wrote: post #117
culopatin wrote: post #26

I feel like I’m missing out on something but other than to summarize text or fill pointless and lazy homework assignments I don’t have much of a use of gpt search. I think I have a trust issue with it and I rather get the raw result and process it myself than to believe that what this model “understood” is right. Anyone else feels this way?

I certainly have the trust issues for things where correctness matters. For things were it doesn't and I already know how to do something but don't have it memorized, I think it is very very convenient. I use it various times a week for cooking. E.g. "basic recipe bechamel sauce in metric" ChatGPT: Within a couple seconds I get the ingredients in metric and a step by step guide. Google: The provided summaries are use…

Before a few keywords and quick website scan.

Now you have to engage in a conversation and get the 'a feel lucky' version where before you got to look through different more visual recipes

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