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OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Not really. Yahoo was selling every search result slot. There was no quality to it at all. It was all paid.

AltaVista wasn’t terrible.

Infoseek! Until it was killed by Disney sex offenders.

https://www.wired.com/1999/09/arrest-of-a-web-pioneer/

(I had the misfortune of working for him )

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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I feel like I’m missing out on something but other than to summarize text or fill pointless and lazy homework assignments I don’t have much of a use of gpt search. I think I have a trust issue with it and I rather get the raw result and process it myself than to believe that what this model “understood” is right. Anyone else feels this way?

The most illuminating thing about ChatGPT for me is just how terrible most programmers on HN apparently are. I thought it was just a funny meme that all we do is copy/paste from Stack Overflow but apparently that is literally what a lot of people are doing all day.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Good. Google has ruined the web. It has cultivated an insane amount of websites that just have loads of useless cruft around around the information they offer.

It has also cultivated a behavior of these stock answers that you see popping up on multiple websites with a reference to THEIR product at the end of the article. I see it with technical problems (partition wizard, windowserrorreport, ...). It's your overall run dism / sfc and install & buy our product.

Then people moved to YouTube, and as a result there are now autogenerated videos for KBs on the internet if you have issues with those. What this means is that whenever you're looking for an issue that occurs with a single KB, you get all these generic answers which HIDE potential solutions of other people experiencing the SAME thing.

The same applies to pest control, insane amount of lies (dangers of black widows, rabies from squirrels, ...) to get higher in the Google ranks and push their product.

Also applies to doctors offices, there are companies who put out these generic pages with 'solutions' telling you to make an appointment.

The worst part about all of this is that Google (and Bing, and DuckDuckGo for that matter) no longer respect me searching for 2 terms. For example, I search for "KB123456 issue". I'll get results for KB123456, but nothing mentioning the issue. And you're like: maybe it doesn't exist? Except that I read it multiple times half a year ago with the solution, and I was not smart enough to save it somewhere.

A search engine used to be to help you search and get your answer, fast and focused. Now it is pulling everything out of the closed to make you deviate from that. Suggestions, audio, video, etc.

All while researching something for work. And then I get a Slack message from someone saying 'Hello!'. And then nothing.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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This might be a trope here, but recently I noticed that the quality of search results has degraded quite a bit for me. When I e.g. search for Golang-related content (often I want just the official docs of a module like net/http) I get all these developer-focused, SEO-optimized blogs that are kind of helpful but often not, and I have to scroll all the way down to get the official docs. I really wonder if that has to d…

This has been my thing too. I work in Networking and sometimes I see interesting stuff, but between cisco's beefy docs and obscure blogs I have no idea what the actual use case for it, or how the SD-WAN magic wand does the thing. ChatGPT will get me to verifiable information so fast, and give great in-context examples. It's renewed my passion for the field just when it was getting dull.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Maybe because Google is actual trash and it went from being the best search engine to being an SEO-infested desert of a search, where your query is interpreted however they want not how you want. Latest example from today - search for "micropython html parser" - 100% of results are about normal python not micropython, with the first 4 results being for generic paid programming courses. It's completely useless as a se…

Let's not forget about the links to scam sites.

This is one of the sites it shows you for "log in to g mail"

https://clinmedjournals.org/articles/blogs/gmail-login.html

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Bing is on it's way in that direction. Microsoft needed something big to make Bing relevant again. This could potentially be it. Will they eat all of Google's lunch? Probably not, but if they can begin to chip away at the insane share (93%+) of the marketplace that Google controls, then it can only be for the betterment of the Internet.

Bing doesn't seem any better than Google though. I was thinking of something that gives you a dramatically superior result than Google.

Microsoft is really still in their infancy of building out their end vision for AI in search. Right now it's roughly a chat bot that summarizes and gives references, without really tying into their core search well. Eventually it will negate the need to click through to many reference, then it will be better able to curate a list of alternative sources for what you seek. I think that's the big problem with AI as it stands now, people think we've already reached the end of the road, when really we're only at the beginning of it. Watch and see what the next decade of it looks like. I agree with Bill Gates that it all will fundamentally changed the way we see and interact with the world (for the better).

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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I can't remember the last time I used Google. I use bing chat, and chatGPT for EVERYTHING. I guess I tried Bard briefly, but it was unimpressive. Most surprising statement I've made in 2023 to be honest.

This. Also Edge is so so powerful. Especially when I can just drop some content into a webpage, load it in Edge and then click the blue icon in the top right and just ask questions. This is a competitive advantage even over ChatGPT.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Maybe because Google is actual trash and it went from being the best search engine to being an SEO-infested desert of a search, where your query is interpreted however they want not how you want. Latest example from today - search for "micropython html parser" - 100% of results are about normal python not micropython, with the first 4 results being for generic paid programming courses. It's completely useless as a se…

Please Sergey and Larry return and apply your original paper! Just update it a bit.

Does PageRank even work fundamentally when the search engine using PageRank is so big that it influences essentially every webmaster in the world?
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