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Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by chrsig »

AviationAtom wrote: post #186
_hypx wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bing doesn't seem any better than Google though. I was thinking of something that gives you a dramatically superior result than Google.

Microsoft is really still in their infancy of building out their end vision for AI in search. Right now it's roughly a chat bot that summarizes and gives references, without really tying into their core search well. Eventually it will negate the need to click through to many reference, then it will be better able to curate a list of alternative sources for what you seek. I think that's the big problem with AI as it s…

> Eventually it will negate the need to click through to many reference, then it will be better able to curate a list of alternative sources for what you seek.

Doesn't that just kind of describe google now though?

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by faeriechangling »

gtm1260 wrote: post #91
gambiting wrote: post #28

Maybe because Google is actual trash and it went from being the best search engine to being an SEO-infested desert of a search, where your query is interpreted however they want not how you want. Latest example from today - search for "micropython html parser" - 100% of results are about normal python not micropython, with the first 4 results being for generic paid programming courses. It's completely useless as a se…

My mental model has totally shifted to the point where even like dealing with stack overflow feels like a pain compared to just asking gpt-4.

I don't feel stack overflow has been rendered obsolete because the snobbishness and moderation people complain about so much has caused the recommendations on stack overflow to generally be of higher quality than those ChatGPT offers and you have more metadata (answer age, votes) about which answers are especially trustworthy.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by tornato7 »

ThePhysicist wrote: post #89

This might be a trope here, but recently I noticed that the quality of search results has degraded quite a bit for me. When I e.g. search for Golang-related content (often I want just the official docs of a module like net/http) I get all these developer-focused, SEO-optimized blogs that are kind of helpful but often not, and I have to scroll all the way down to get the official docs. I really wonder if that has to d…

Did ChatGPT really write Go code with generics for you? Last time I fed it some code that implements generics it said, "this is invalid syntax, Go does not support generics" which would make sense since the knowledge cutoff date is 2021

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by ipaddr »

xnx wrote: post #110
tines wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just performed that search in Google and the top two results are links to PyPI and Snyk packages for micropython-html.parser. The third result is a link to python.org documentation for html.parser (not micropython). Bing returns the result for PyPI and the one for the non-micropython python.org result. I don't see a big difference here (except maybe me learning about Snyk through google and not Bing?).

I also get the same result when logged-in and incognito. Others in the thread seem to get them also.

Let me guess you are using chrome?

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by Dylan16807 »

kgen wrote: post #130
throw10920 wrote: post #85

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Um, no. Google "bubbles" their search results, meaning that they customize them based on their profile of you. This is not new - it's been implemented and known publicly for years .

Right, and what the person above is saying is that spyware/bad extensions can be making random searches which muddy your profile's search data

It is? That's not how I would normally interpret "interfering".

And why should random searches make my results significantly worse than the default? That doesn't exactly absolve google of screwing up.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by Dma54rhs »

ByThyGrace wrote: post #179
noah_buddy wrote: post #153

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You have touched on something I am incredibly excited about. ChatGPT is going to do away with a lot of the intro level questions you ask researching certain sorts of technical problems, especially as it becomes better able to understand images. ChatGPT removes the need for you to ever open a manual (unless you want a deep understanding). How do I turn off this feature in my car? How do I replace the fan in my fridge’…

> and soon it’ll be able to produce videos or images of each step on demand As long as they're not hallucinated media...

Most of the Googles SERP results already are delusional or hallucinating spam, so the bar is low and for me at least ChatGTP is less bullshit.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by sidibe »

gambiting wrote: post #28

Maybe because Google is actual trash and it went from being the best search engine to being an SEO-infested desert of a search, where your query is interpreted however they want not how you want. Latest example from today - search for "micropython html parser" - 100% of results are about normal python not micropython, with the first 4 results being for generic paid programming courses. It's completely useless as a se…

I can't believe how disconnected I always feel on the Google search conversations here. It still does what I need it for fine, I don't remember it being significantly better than it is now. I guess I'm not a power user? But I also think this is how the most people feel. On this site Google has been a shockingly useless zombie for years.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by croes »

kvathupo wrote: post #136
tines wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just performed that search in Google and the top two results are links to PyPI and Snyk packages for micropython-html.parser. The third result is a link to python.org documentation for html.parser (not micropython). Bing returns the result for PyPI and the one for the non-micropython python.org result. I don't see a big difference here (except maybe me learning about Snyk through google and not Bing?).

This is a good argument for LLM search: have search be conversational, and let you say "hey, I actually meant this!". Then you could have different chat environments, each tailored to micropython results, CPython results, IronPython results, etc. Of course, how can you scale this for every user?

And the responses will be:

"No, you didn't" "I didn't say that" "Seems like your are using on old version"

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by faeriechangling »

i_have_an_idea wrote: post #204
o8o8o8o wrote: post #167

The rumour I keep hearing is that it's like the Hunger Games inside Google at the moment. Total chaos and infighting at all levels, investors are freaking out over AI and Bard's middling performance compared to OpenAI and blood is in the water. Sundar may be forced to resign and Larry/Sergei deployed to rescue the company.

Well, Sundar and Google leadership have been massively outmaneuvered here by both Nadella and OpenAI. It's really quite embarrassing, particularly in the context of the fact that Google was the undisputed leader in AI for over a decade. As a Alphabet shareholder, I won't be sad to see Sundar go.

Is Sundar a bad CEO or merely a mediocre one though? Who would replace him that could get the job done where Sundar failed? I think it's easier said than done to stay the undisputed leader in AI for over a decade even if your leadership is above-average.

Still Sundar is mediocre at best, and I certainly think Google's shareholders should be looking for a new person to run the place. It's not just AI, Google's entire portfolio has weakened.

Re: OpenAI tech gives Microsoft's Bing a boost in search battle with Google

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Post by ramenbytes »

_hypx wrote: post #126
AviationAtom wrote: post #33

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For those old enough to remember, it's exactly the reason why Google took Yahoo's place back when.

But what can replace Google? Is there another search engine with stunningly relevant results like the early days of Google?

I've been impressed with what Kagi is able to dig up for me on old and sometimes niche electronics test and measurement equipment. However, I don't think they are targeting the same set of users that early Google was. Among other things, you have to pay for Kagi.
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