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Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by dghughes »

afiori wrote: post #268
fiddlerwoaroof wrote: post #258

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I was sort of in the anti-touchscreen camp too, but the early 2020 Tesla has just the right controls on the wheel and stocks that I don’t mind the screen. And, also, the big screen for maps and backup cameras is really nice.

Well the anti touch screen camp is more accurately a "don't take my dials and buttons" camp

I'd call it more don't make what was one press of a button into five taps on a touch screen.

Plus gloves in winter regions we wear gloves 6 months of the year.

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Post by CameronNemo »

saagarjha wrote: post #276
CameronNemo wrote: post #231

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Do you have a picture of it next to an F150? That might be why they don't allow cars that small, though the Feds would never admit it.

Soundly like they’re picking the wrong cars to not allow in that case.

Unfortunately the second you talk about banning large trucks in cities, someone comes along worrying about the policy applying to their rural town / homestead.

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Post by CameronNemo »

kortilla wrote: post #303
CameronNemo wrote: post #231

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Do you have a picture of it next to an F150? That might be why they don't allow cars that small, though the Feds would never admit it.

Why would an F150 be relevant? The highways are dominated by much larger tractor trailers.

You can't always drive a heavy duty truck like that in the city. You have to take certain routes a lot of the time.

Also F150s and similar are somewhat commonly used as commuter vehicles.

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Post by smaudet »

gregmac wrote: post #434
smaudet wrote: post #296

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"and once or maybe twice in 5 years of ownership have I manually adjusted vents." I'm going to guess you daily drive mostly and don't pickup many groceries then, and probably don't have a wife/kids. Blasting heat is usefull when e.g. you don't have windows, blasting cold is usefull when you have raw meat in the back and you don't feel like freezing too. Or, you drive with someone with larger/smaller body mass or meta…

Well, your guesses are all incorrect. The "dual climate" does work decently well, though we don't actually use it that often. Seat warmers do a better job if you're actually cold (and my wife usually puts hers way higher than mine). > Blasting heat is usefull when e.g. you don't have windows, blasting cold is usefull when you have raw meat in the back and you don't feel like freezing too. You can still "blast" heat o…

> I'm not sure how manually "blasting cold" to keep raw meat in the back cold also doesn't freeze you in the front, or what that has to do with auto mode, but we typically don't have groceries in the car for more than about 20 minutes and don't worry about it. I know people who have a much longer trip to get groceries and they use a plug-in cooler; that seems like a more sensible option.

Ofc you can have a cooler, but that eats up space, and not all grocery trips are planned. Re 20 min - sounds like you are lucky - if you get into a traffic jam you might get stuck.

How it helps - not a universal feature but you can often adjust heat/cool for back/front, I've also seen it where each seat gets their own climate control knobs.

Regarding MAX - that's nice, but that's not auto, which was my point.

And yeah glasses definitely help - I love my transitions for that reason. But display tech matters here - glossy vs matted, and in my experience glossy holds up a bit better under sun while matted holds up better to e.g. night city driving. Backlights are important too - but again to my point this is all overcomplicated and a knob is just easier/cheaper/less prone to breakage.

It's nice you have an auto mode that 'works great' but as you admit there are a fair number of cars where that's just not true. I suspect in part that's because this is a difficult problem, that is partly self mfg. And I don't think most people at dealerships have time to test it to the degree you seem to have (although you didn't mention how it handles in open air, i.e. with sunroof or retractable hood) - a knob is something I can test in 5 min and know it "just works".

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Post by nativespecies »

cssanchez wrote: post #101
maztaim wrote: post #21

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I can’t speak for their EV line, but no media is talking about how crappy their engines are. I won’t touch a KIA or Hyundai and I have zero qualms speaking up about it. My brother and I both needed new engines after 50,000 miles with normal wear and maintenance. If you read up on oil consumption you will discover they have had problem’s continually since 2014. Last I checked the 2021 +models are still affected. Getti…

I’ve read some threads either here or on Reddit from mechanics saying it was the 2.0 engine (I think the CVT versions) that crapped out like this and they used that engine in a ton of models. Anecdotal, but mine is an old 2013 Kia with a 1.6 engine with DCT like all their turbos / top of line models and I’ve had no mechanical issues at all yet, but I’m looking to buy soon and I won’t consider their 2.0s out of cautio…

My 2012 Accent had this issue with a 2.0 engine. Started burning oil around 90K miles and was getting worse by the day. To their credit, Hyundai replaced the full engine at no cost right at 100K miles thanks to the warranty - I have had the car for 10 years without incident, so it's pretty cool to get a brand new engine. I'd buy another Hyundai just because their warranty is so kick-ass

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Post by EricE »

dontlaugh wrote: post #336
tastysandwich wrote: post #154

When researching family cars recently, I literally avoided the Honda CR-V just because the AC was controlled via the touch screen. There's a "Climate" button, which brings up a screen on the display where you can turn the aircon on/off, up/down, etc. It's just horrendous. Give me my dials. My worst gripe - which all modern cars have - is the aggressive bluetooth auto-connect. If my wife takes the car, it will automat…

Wired CarPlay or Android Auto is much better in this respect.

until the jack in your phone gets wonky due to age :(

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Post by [deleted] »

anon7725 wrote: post #273
bmitc wrote: post #90

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I have been in the room, so to speak, when the design of a fusion reactor control room was being discussed. I feel the answer is simply: because engineers "design" these things. I feel like the design of spaces is simply not considered very well if at all. I get the feeling that maybe aircraft do it best? Or at least that's the impression that I have had.

Did engineers really design the touch screens on Dragon? I feel like those were in the first mock-ups that came out. I assumed that it was just a “concept car” type detail and they would have MFDs in the real spacecraft. Touchscreens seem like a very marketing/design feature.

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Post by thaumasiotes »

HPsquared wrote: post #370
thaumasiotes wrote: post #246

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That doesn't come close to being a perfect solution for the touch screen. This one is vastly better: 1. Eliminate the screen. 2. Provide an audio port. 3. When audio comes in through the port, play it over the car speakers.

Then I need to take my phone out of my pocket, find somewhere to put it where I can fiddle with the screen and change tracks while driving. Not ideal...

Get an mp3 player. Your phone is a step down from the car screen.

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Post by EricE »

Loughla wrote: post #432
serpix wrote: post #325

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in every other car on the planet it is the right stalk down. They had to go and reinvent this.

I am absolutely not defending Tesla at all, and do genuinely believe they do things that are incredibly stupid in auto design. But - at one point, when the shift was the right stalk, wipers were controlled via a switch, knob, or other mechanism either on the dashboard or on the left stalk. So. It's not like changes haven't happened before.

They were still physical controls that offered tactile feedback and never moved so you could always operate them blindly.

Also my parents are older and something in their skin makes them routinely almost invisible to capacitive touch controls - heck I still have trouble from time to time getting displays to register reliably.

I loathe touch controls and will never buy a vehicle that only has touch controls. Luckily all my current cars are in excellent condition and I pamper the crap out of them. If I'm lucky I'll be able to be buried in them :p

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Post by EricE »

speedgoose wrote: post #316
8n4vidtmkvmk wrote: post #289

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Surprised good or surprised bad? It's probably fun to drive but the screen I'm not interested in.

The screen is surprisingly good. I feel like a lot of the comments there are a bit like when smartphones changed from buttons blackberry style to touchscreens iPhone style. For sure buttons are better for some use cases but a touchscreen is nice too. It’s okay that you have to press the touchscreen to configure the automatic AC. It’s not something you do often anyway. However you may use the navigation or the media p…

Physical buttons on the blackberry were far superior - except for the space they took. So a touchscreen on something that has a physical constraint is a reasonable trade off.

There are ZERO constraints preventing them from still including physical buttons except for impractical hipster design philosophies. Want to have touch screen in addition to physical buttons? Knock yourself out. But I will never buy a car with pure touchscreen controls.

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