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Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by shaan7 »

Tade0 wrote: post #226
gffrd wrote: post #201

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The other day, I was taking a call on my iPhone, over the earpiece, in my office suite's lobby. The connection was rock solid, and then out of nowhere the audio just disappeared, without warning … but the call didn't drop. A few seconds later it returned. The person on the other end said they heard what sounded like a child for a second. I was perplexed. Fast forward a week, and this happens again. I look at the call…

This is why I hate that modern flagship phones usually don't have a headphone jack. Once you pair devices, it defaults to this connection. My SO often borrows my noise-canceling headphones and as it stands they're firmly paired with her iPad and will not let go without elaborate ceremony.

I had a similar problem borrowing my wife's NC headphones. Months later I discovered Sennheiser BTD 600 which is basically an audio-only BT dongle (so it shows up as a USB headset). Now whoever wants to use the headphones just plugs in the dongle (it has both USB-A and USB-C). Works without a fuss.

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Post by kortilla »

CameronNemo wrote: post #231
kristopolous wrote: post #227

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What I really want is the Wuling Hong Guang Mini EV Cabrio in the US. Here's some pictures, that thing is so cute https://gmauthority.com/blog/2022/09/gms-wuling-mini-ev-cabr... I'd especially love it as a vacation rental. A Hawaiian trip with that thing would be great.

Do you have a picture of it next to an F150? That might be why they don't allow cars that small, though the Feds would never admit it.

Why would an F150 be relevant? The highways are dominated by much larger tractor trailers.

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Post by yurishimo »

RajT88 wrote: post #131
bmitc wrote: post #80

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As a counter to all the replies, I have owned nothing but Hyundai and Kia since high school, and my family has owned several Kia and Hyundai vehicles. It would take something very major for me to consider another brand. Their warranties are outstanding and long. My Kia engine was part of a recall, had an issue, but was then replaced out of warranty for free in less than a week during 2020. The engine now has a lifeti…

So - people shit on Kia, because they remember what it was like before Hyundai owned it. My sister bought a Kia around 2000. It was garbage. You have to go a ways farther back, but once upon a time Hyundai wasn't very good either. At some point (I guess in the 90's?) people started talking about how Hyundai had caught up to Toyota and Honda, and Ford and Dodge needed to do the same. I've driven many Kia rentals the p…

Yea, in the past decade or so, both Kia and Hyundai have stepped up their game to compete with Honda and Toyota. Great warranties, easy to work on, etc etc. I'm curious what the world will look like in another 20 years. Will Hyundai's get more expensive than Toyota? Will Honda bring prices down to better compete? Or will some Chinese startup roll in and attempt the same playbook as the previous brands? I any case, I think it's a net positive for consumers.

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Post by robin_reala »

Rebelgecko wrote: post #151
jenadine wrote: post #81

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I have seen a touch screen covered by a thin layer of plastic in the button row that has some indentation so the finger can feel where the buttons are. This was on the control panel of an industrial machine. With some small sound or haptic feedback when the button is being pressed, this allows someone familiar with the interface to quickly press some buttons while operating the machine. (There was also an indentation…

Did you have to buy a new cover when the buttons moved?

No: just inflate the top layer of the screen as the same place as the button below (see https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/a-keyboard-that-rises-up-fr... for more).

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Post by dymk »

tastysandwich wrote: post #171
joshtgreenwood wrote: post #161

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FWIW - just bought a 23 CRV for my wife because of the abundance of analog controls. Not sure what on screen display you were seeing, we use the knobs exclusively.

Nice! I guess they fixed it up This review is for their 2021 model. > Plus, while there is a climate button and fan speed button, as well as dials for the temperature settings, you still have to go through the screen to control whether the air conditioner is on or off, and also which ventilation is active. Odd. https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-reviews/honda-cr-v-81488 And a demonstration, though it's for an even olde…

Never had an issue using exclusively the physical buttons for climate control in my 2021 CRV

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Post by dymk »

redindian75 wrote: post #111
cdepman wrote: post #75

Wonderful. I recently rented a model 3 and found it incredibly frustrating that it required multiple touches to adjust settings that would be a single button press on a more traditional car. Don’t even get me started on the windshield wipers - a total nightmare in winter storms and located on the left stalk? These are safety concerns. As long as humans are operating these dangerous vehicles, I vote for fewer driver d…

model 3 has voice control "turn on wipers" "set AC to 68" "drive home" - at the press of a button, the music fades and it listens like "hey Siri"

The voice control is shit

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Post by smaudet »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #246
beAbU wrote: post #225

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"Hey, last time you drove in me you were listening to music via bluetooth. I found the following _two_ devices that I can connect to. Whuch one do you want?" Perfect solution for the touch screen. Show a bunch of fat icons for all the found and paired devices. Usually it'll be 2-3 devices. Make it easy to tap your option as you are getting settled in the car.

That doesn't come close to being a perfect solution for the touch screen. This one is vastly better: 1. Eliminate the screen. 2. Provide an audio port. 3. When audio comes in through the port, play it over the car speakers.

You know I tried to think of a legit case where screens are better - if I could get engine details that'd be rad but not actually that useful, weather might be nice as well but actually no while I'm driving I'd prefer just to ask my car or phone to tell me, maps are nice but really that can be done better by a GPS box with updatable maps/software (I own a car that has a nav system built in that is now non functional due to age, plus while it worked it was wildly out of date), rear view camera is nice but actually you could put that in the back or on the vehicle ceiling, it's safer to turn around and actually look, movies and games are not safe, and everything else is just text e.g. audio info, but you could get away with a couple of those old scrolling tickers.

I think you are right, we should be demanding cars with zero or very little dash at all.

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Post by otherme123 »

avmich wrote: post #172
fomine3 wrote: post #144

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I don't know much but driving spaceship won't need to watch outside continuously so touchscreen may make sense than car driving

The idea of tactile feedback is that you can look at one place - like a screen, which gives you information in ideally most convenient way - while, without looking, operate buttons, knobs, levers etc., at the same time. If you have, for example, a screen which shows you docking crosses in the center of the picture and control buttons on the periphery of the picture, you still need to move your focus from the view to…

This can be seen in plane cookpits, where a lot of things are migrating from physical buttons to the screens. But there are still a lot of knobs, buttons, levers...

Cockpit of an Airbus A380: https://i.stack.imgur.com/rLdZ3.jpg

The key seems to be to move the info to a screen, but still control the screen with physical buttons and not touching the screen. E.g. move the status display of the A/C to the central screen, but turn a knob to adjust the temperature.

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Post by eps »

mikeryan wrote: post #67
bityard wrote: post #10

Wow, talk about missing the point. Four grids of uniform buttons, they think that's an improvement over a touchscreen? There is zero practical distinction between taking your eyes off the road to see which button you're pushing vs taking your eyes of the road to see which part of the screen you're touching. GOOD HVAC/radio design means you can perform ALL essential functions WITHOUT taking your eyes off the road AT A…

There is zero practical distinction between taking your eyes off the road to see which button you're pushing vs taking your eyes of the road to see which part of the screen you're touching. There is, in fact, one large difference. With a button you know you’ve pushed it. Once you see where to press your eyes can go back to the road while you actually press the button since the feedback indicating it’s been pressed is…

Car touchscreens also have tactile feedback - they produce a click and a vibration when a press is registred. This works well. What doesn't work at all is being able to find a button without looking.
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