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Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by RajT88 »

bmitc wrote: post #80
gorjusborg wrote: post #15

I've never owned a Hyundai, but stuff like this makes me want to look at them. I recently bought what I thought was a car, only to find it is a tech-ridden abomination. I want a vehicle that is reliable. I want a vehicle that is simple. I do not want a rolling AI/touchscreen. Even just from a security standpoint I want minimal software in my car.

As a counter to all the replies, I have owned nothing but Hyundai and Kia since high school, and my family has owned several Kia and Hyundai vehicles. It would take something very major for me to consider another brand. Their warranties are outstanding and long. My Kia engine was part of a recall, had an issue, but was then replaced out of warranty for free in less than a week during 2020. The engine now has a lifeti…

So - people shit on Kia, because they remember what it was like before Hyundai owned it.

My sister bought a Kia around 2000. It was garbage. You have to go a ways farther back, but once upon a time Hyundai wasn't very good either. At some point (I guess in the 90's?) people started talking about how Hyundai had caught up to Toyota and Honda, and Ford and Dodge needed to do the same.

I've driven many Kia rentals the past ~15 years, and they are awesome. Even remembering all of what I wrote above, I was surprised at times at how premium the fit and finish was, and how powerful and smooth the ride was.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by bmitc »

eindiran wrote: post #89
bmitc wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a counter to all the replies, I have owned nothing but Hyundai and Kia since high school, and my family has owned several Kia and Hyundai vehicles. It would take something very major for me to consider another brand. Their warranties are outstanding and long. My Kia engine was part of a recall, had an issue, but was then replaced out of warranty for free in less than a week during 2020. The engine now has a lifeti…

I was in the same boat until my car was stolen. If you haven't heard of it, look up the Kia Boys, though the same rules apply to Hyundais. If you do manage to get the car back, you find yourself much more interested in car anti-theft measures, and will then discover that there are very limited options for parts due to the epidemic of them being stolen (66% of cars stolen in 2021 in Milwaukee, the center of the epidem…

It is unfortunate for sure, but it doesn't affect fob only / pushbutton start cars. Kia and Hyundai have rectified the issue on newer models though and are at least giving away free wheel locks in certain areas, or so I've read.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

#133

Post by MobileVet »

DangitBobby wrote: post #31
MobileVet wrote: post #8

I bought a Chevy Bolt vs a Model 3 for this and CarPlay. It is so well designed and every time I need something it is right where I expect it. Could I learn the touch interface? Of course, but driving is often done subconsciously and touch is not amenable to that type of automatic interaction. I wanted a car, not a toy. (I am aware of the irony regarding the unfortunate proportions of the Bolt making it look like a t…

The Chevy Bolt also costs over $10k less than the Model 3.

Yep.

I had my eyes set on the Genesis GV60, but that car’s entry model (if you can find it) is $60k.

The Bolt was $33k - 7.5k in tax rebates. It is an enormous value.

It isn’t the Genesis for sure… but it’s 80% of that car for 40% the money.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by hammock »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #60
maztaim wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can’t speak for their EV line, but no media is talking about how crappy their engines are. I won’t touch a KIA or Hyundai and I have zero qualms speaking up about it. My brother and I both needed new engines after 50,000 miles with normal wear and maintenance. If you read up on oil consumption you will discover they have had problem’s continually since 2014. Last I checked the 2021 +models are still affected. Getti…

IIRC Kia or Hyundai has longest warranty - something like 8 years.

It used to be 10

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by _ea1k »

bityard wrote: post #10

Wow, talk about missing the point. Four grids of uniform buttons, they think that's an improvement over a touchscreen? There is zero practical distinction between taking your eyes off the road to see which button you're pushing vs taking your eyes of the road to see which part of the screen you're touching. GOOD HVAC/radio design means you can perform ALL essential functions WITHOUT taking your eyes off the road AT A…

+1 - Good design should be a bigger requirement than number of buttons.

I have a Tesla where autosteer can be engaged by two moves of a stalk.

I have a Nissan where the feature is controlled by a one button within two rows of buttons beneath my left knee.

Buttons are not always an improvement.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by _ea1k »

serf wrote: post #64
kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well designed button layouts don't require counting to figure out which one to push. Even that is a cognitive distraction.

I would like to see an explanation of how a human can have any interaction or choice without some level of cognitive cost.

There isn't one, but we really don't use that many controls while driving. Those should be large, differently shaped, and well spaced apart.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by karlshea »

RajT88 wrote: post #131
bmitc wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a counter to all the replies, I have owned nothing but Hyundai and Kia since high school, and my family has owned several Kia and Hyundai vehicles. It would take something very major for me to consider another brand. Their warranties are outstanding and long. My Kia engine was part of a recall, had an issue, but was then replaced out of warranty for free in less than a week during 2020. The engine now has a lifeti…

So - people shit on Kia, because they remember what it was like before Hyundai owned it. My sister bought a Kia around 2000. It was garbage. You have to go a ways farther back, but once upon a time Hyundai wasn't very good either. At some point (I guess in the 90's?) people started talking about how Hyundai had caught up to Toyota and Honda, and Ford and Dodge needed to do the same. I've driven many Kia rentals the p…

I had a 2006 Kia Spectra and learned to drive manual with it. Lasted for 10 years until it got rusty enough from winter salt that I wanted something else. Other than oil changes and front struts it was trouble-free.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by colordrops »

biofox wrote: post #121
redindian75 wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

model 3 has voice control "turn on wipers" "set AC to 68" "drive home" - at the press of a button, the music fades and it listens like "hey Siri"

That sounds like a poor solution to a problem of their own making

As an owner it works great. Windshield wipers have a sensor for automatic control, and if you want to manually adjust, voice recognition is highly accurate these days. I switch between my Prius and Tesla all the time as my wife shares the vehicles, and I much prefer the Tesla controls. But I'll get off of your lawn if you'd like.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by b112 »

pornel wrote: post #88
gorjusborg wrote: post #15

I've never owned a Hyundai, but stuff like this makes me want to look at them. I recently bought what I thought was a car, only to find it is a tech-ridden abomination. I want a vehicle that is reliable. I want a vehicle that is simple. I do not want a rolling AI/touchscreen. Even just from a security standpoint I want minimal software in my car.

Hyundai is on a roll now. IONIQ 5 is one of the fastest-charging EVs, and yes, still has physical buttons.

I wish someone would EV a convertible, a glass roof is nice, but a convertible cannot be heavier that all that glass.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by NotYourLawyer »

cdepman wrote: post #75

Wonderful. I recently rented a model 3 and found it incredibly frustrating that it required multiple touches to adjust settings that would be a single button press on a more traditional car. Don’t even get me started on the windshield wipers - a total nightmare in winter storms and located on the left stalk? These are safety concerns. As long as humans are operating these dangerous vehicles, I vote for fewer driver d…

And navigating a software menu (which changes at random times when it updates itself) just to open the fucking glove compartment. What was wrong with a physical latch?
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