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Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by Rebelgecko »

jenadine wrote: post #81
Bjartr wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unlike a touchscreen, you can feel the line between adjacent buttons and between buttons & the surrounding dashboard. Unlike touchscreens, you can touch these without triggering them, use feel to locate the correct button and center your finger on it, then press it, all without taking your eyes from the road. Could they be even more distinct? Sure. Are these still a huge improvement over a touchscreen? Absolutely.

I have seen a touch screen covered by a thin layer of plastic in the button row that has some indentation so the finger can feel where the buttons are. This was on the control panel of an industrial machine. With some small sound or haptic feedback when the button is being pressed, this allows someone familiar with the interface to quickly press some buttons while operating the machine. (There was also an indentation…

Did you have to buy a new cover when the buttons moved?

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by xedrac »

bmitc wrote: post #80
gorjusborg wrote: post #15

I've never owned a Hyundai, but stuff like this makes me want to look at them. I recently bought what I thought was a car, only to find it is a tech-ridden abomination. I want a vehicle that is reliable. I want a vehicle that is simple. I do not want a rolling AI/touchscreen. Even just from a security standpoint I want minimal software in my car.

As a counter to all the replies, I have owned nothing but Hyundai and Kia since high school, and my family has owned several Kia and Hyundai vehicles. It would take something very major for me to consider another brand. Their warranties are outstanding and long. My Kia engine was part of a recall, had an issue, but was then replaced out of warranty for free in less than a week during 2020. The engine now has a lifeti…

I own two Hyundai (2007 Entourage, 2015 Sonata), and a 2022 Honda Odyssey. My initial impression of the Honda is far better than it was for my Hyundais. We'll see how it progresses over time, but as of now, I don't plan to buy Hyundai again. The only thing I hate about my Honda is I can't turn default-to-off that stupid setting that kills the engine and restarts it automatically whenever you stop the vehicle at a light or stop sign.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by tastysandwich »

When researching family cars recently, I literally avoided the Honda CR-V just because the AC was controlled via the touch screen.

There's a "Climate" button, which brings up a screen on the display where you can turn the aircon on/off, up/down, etc. It's just horrendous. Give me my dials.

My worst gripe - which all modern cars have - is the aggressive bluetooth auto-connect. If my wife takes the car, it will automatically connect to my phone in the house and start playing whatever was last playing. If I'm using headphones, it will just pinch the audio from them. I cannot disable this. Drives me absolutely nuts (no pun intended).

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by lmm »

mulletbum wrote: post #37
ryukafalz wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not identical: they typically have raised markers on two of the home row keys precisely to help with orientation. And, well, your hands are already positioned over them much of the time, so relative identification is much easier. Not so with these buttons.

I am 37 and have felt for these raised markers precisely zero times.

Have you ever tried typing on a keyboard without them? They're one of those things that you don't notice consciously but is actually really important.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by tiedieconderoga »

bityard wrote: post #10

Wow, talk about missing the point. Four grids of uniform buttons, they think that's an improvement over a touchscreen? There is zero practical distinction between taking your eyes off the road to see which button you're pushing vs taking your eyes of the road to see which part of the screen you're touching. GOOD HVAC/radio design means you can perform ALL essential functions WITHOUT taking your eyes off the road AT A…

Core functions like HVAC and hazard lights deserve dedicated controls, but modern cars also need a type of input that can be used with a tablet-sized display. What to do?

*Rotary Encoders*

The best type of input for a car is a rotary encoder, a knob with tactile "clicks" that register as you turn it. Good ones can also be pressed down like a button, and moved in cardinal directions like a d-pad.

Have one for your volume knob: pressing it down toggles muting.

Have one for the main controls: twisting moves the cursor, swiping changes which app is selected.

Have one on a steering wheel stalk, to cycle between display modes on one of the dashboard display's rounds.

We need more rotary encoders.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by cronix »

eindiran wrote: post #89
bmitc wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a counter to all the replies, I have owned nothing but Hyundai and Kia since high school, and my family has owned several Kia and Hyundai vehicles. It would take something very major for me to consider another brand. Their warranties are outstanding and long. My Kia engine was part of a recall, had an issue, but was then replaced out of warranty for free in less than a week during 2020. The engine now has a lifeti…

I was in the same boat until my car was stolen. If you haven't heard of it, look up the Kia Boys, though the same rules apply to Hyundais. If you do manage to get the car back, you find yourself much more interested in car anti-theft measures, and will then discover that there are very limited options for parts due to the epidemic of them being stolen (66% of cars stolen in 2021 in Milwaukee, the center of the epidem…

Another issue with some models of Kia and Hyundai is some insurance companies are now refusing to insure them due to how easy they are to steal. Imagine buying a car and calling up your insurance company to add it to your policy and...nope. I've never heard of that before.

https://www.autoblog.com/2023/02/09/hyundai-kia-models-state...

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by nichos »

tastysandwich wrote: post #154

When researching family cars recently, I literally avoided the Honda CR-V just because the AC was controlled via the touch screen. There's a "Climate" button, which brings up a screen on the display where you can turn the aircon on/off, up/down, etc. It's just horrendous. Give me my dials. My worst gripe - which all modern cars have - is the aggressive bluetooth auto-connect. If my wife takes the car, it will automat…

You might want to look at tasker to have it enable Bluetooth when you're not at home or something similar. Also, on most cars you can change the priority of phones, moving yours down would help.

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by zimbu668 »

xedrac wrote: post #152
bmitc wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a counter to all the replies, I have owned nothing but Hyundai and Kia since high school, and my family has owned several Kia and Hyundai vehicles. It would take something very major for me to consider another brand. Their warranties are outstanding and long. My Kia engine was part of a recall, had an issue, but was then replaced out of warranty for free in less than a week during 2020. The engine now has a lifeti…

I own two Hyundai (2007 Entourage, 2015 Sonata), and a 2022 Honda Odyssey. My initial impression of the Honda is far better than it was for my Hyundais. We'll see how it progresses over time, but as of now, I don't plan to buy Hyundai again. The only thing I hate about my Honda is I can't turn default-to-off that stupid setting that kills the engine and restarts it automatically whenever you stop the vehicle at a lig…

I don’t have one myself, but every time I hear the engine restart at a stop sign I’m tempted

https://www.idlestopper.com/product/idlestopper/1

Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by simfree »

quesera wrote: post #145
Aeolun wrote: post #99

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Expiring at 130k KM seems sort of reasonable? How long do you expect those parts to last?

130k km == 81k mi, for the metrically-impaired. CV joints, drivetrain, power steering ... in a "reliable" vehicle, will last at least double or triple that!

Depends how and where you drive it, and what ride quality you will put up with.

Around 80k miles upgrading to better aftermarket suspension components is usually worth it.

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