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Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by bambax »

999900000999 wrote: post #457
peterlk wrote: post #391

And it comes with a 3mm headphone jack! Hallelujah!! I’m so, so glad someone is stepping up to fill this niche. My only complaint, and it’s kind if a big one, is that the screen is too damn big. I’m tired of phone manufacturers forcing me to carry a television in my pocket. I want something small that I can hold in one hand without a pop socket. I’ll trade performance, camera quality, basically anything for a phone w…

Plenty of jacks if you know where to look. Midrange phones like the Moto G line still have them.

I have a Moto G6, bought in 2018, that works perfectly well. It replaced a G4 from 2014 that also worked perfectly well until I fried it by plugging it into a custom USB plug that I had wired backwards.

I don't quite get the appeal of high end phones or of changing so frequently. What works, works.

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Post by madduci »

hattmall wrote: post #665
josephg wrote: post #607

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I started programming in the 90s. The other day I found some of the first programs I ever wrote (in qbasic), and ran them in qbasic 4.5 on dosbox on my Mac laptop. I was running an arm laptop, emulating a modern x86_64 chip, emulating an old i386 chip, interpreting a qbasic program unmodified from 30 years ago. Sound, graphics modes, input events - all of it worked perfectly. I didn’t try running it on windows, but I…

Phone software is basically a joke anyway. Is it not possible to emulate phones in the same manner?

Who do we have to thank for this? Apple or Google? The old Symbian app were cool enough that could run on different versions of the OS, they were basically jar packages.

The switch to App Stores and the too fragmented OS updates made everything just a mess like this

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Post by deno »

nordsieck wrote: post #620
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #581

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> No other desktop OS works like that. Both Windows and MacOS sunset support for devices. Admittedly - after much, much more time than phone OSes, though. 10x more. Windows 10 runs on computers that are 20 years old. You have to remember billions of people don't live in the west, they live in india or africa where they use equipment much longer. 10 - 20 years is a real lifespan for cars and appliances, it is also rea…

> 10x more. Windows 10 runs on computers that are 20 years old. 1. The last Apple phone that lost OS suppose was the iPhone 6. Apple supported that phone for 7 years. 2. I'm skeptical that Windows 10 would run on many Pentium IV computers. Windows 8 only came out 11 years ago. And I remember a whole lot of computers out there that couldn't run that at the time.

2. https://youtu.be/ivrlU73VcHw?t=2110

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Post by prmoustache »

grujicd wrote: post #711
prmoustache wrote: post #448

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My samsung galaxy a as well as my girlfriend's smartphone both have 3.5mm jacks. I wouldn't call that a niche when most models still have it.

A is probably A52 or A72. These are the models from 2 years ago. A53/A73 from last year don't have headphone jack. And that's industry wide trend.

I checked we have A12s and A21s. I looked at what is available right now in the A range and the A13 which probably replace the A12 still has an headphone jack.

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Post by prmoustache »

pjmlp wrote: post #757
prmoustache wrote: post #448

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My samsung galaxy a as well as my girlfriend's smartphone both have 3.5mm jacks. I wouldn't call that a niche when most models still have it.

The A range is the middle range for Samsung, and the latest ones A33 and A53 no longer have them.

See reply above

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Post by miohtama »

atleta wrote: post #573
cubefox wrote: post #439

Does anyone notice the irony of it being partly repairable, while offering just three years of security updates, after which you basically have to throw the thing away? The repairability sounds nice, but it is very irrelevant compared to the limited software updates. Imagine buying a Windows laptop and only receiving three years of security updates. (I know, most other phones aren't better.) It would have been better…

That's a fair point, but indeed a lot of people will kill their phone in less than 3 years. Either breaking the screen (which, IIUC, will be also replaceable/self servicable) or killing the battery. Most sources say that the battery will keep an acceptable capacity for around 500 cycles, i.e. 1.5 years if fully charged daily. (Now I don't know, because I'm very cautious not to fully charge and to discharge below 25-3…

If they phone is repairable can you replace the battery?

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Post by goosedragons »

astrange wrote: post #783
toastal wrote: post #759

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Not saying there aren't use cases where it would be preferred, but you can still use truly wireless earbuds with a Bluetooth capable phone/laptop/desktop that has a 3.5mm headphone jack. You can't however jam a plug into a phone without a jack--the option has been removed. There was a time before the headphone jack was dropped that very few people had wireless earbuds or cared, and now that choice to switch was place…

> You can't however jam a plug into a phone without a jack--the option has been removed. You can use an adapter? Or a headphone amp with a BT receiver, I have one. Considering the light weight of wireless headphones it doesn't seem like they're actually a significant ewaste issue, especially since earbuds aren't repairable either. It is good that larger over ear headphones have replaceable cords, but I don't know, pe…

You can get in ear monitors with replaceable cords too. You can even get cords for them to make them Bluetooth. Not even expensive ones, like $20 ones.

I think Bose still has wired noise cancelling headphones too.

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Post by dajonker »

cassepipe wrote: post #794
peterlk wrote: post #391

And it comes with a 3mm headphone jack! Hallelujah!! I’m so, so glad someone is stepping up to fill this niche. My only complaint, and it’s kind if a big one, is that the screen is too damn big. I’m tired of phone manufacturers forcing me to carry a television in my pocket. I want something small that I can hold in one hand without a pop socket. I’ll trade performance, camera quality, basically anything for a phone w…

You can get a refurbished Samsung Galaxy S7 for under 99$: https://www.backmarket.com/en-us/l/samsung-galaxy-s7/d416373... And it will under guaranty for at least six months. The website guarantees a at least 70% of the orginal capable batteryu That's what I have. Has a jack, a physical home button and back button, a microSD slot. Don't know your expectations but the camera is better than the expensive camera I bough…

If those are the only apps you use, you might be fine for a while but lots of apps won't support old Android versions which could be problematic if you depend on such apps, e.g. for banking or signing into government services.

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Post by palata »

charcircuit wrote: post #603
palata wrote: post #585

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> Phones are a tiny amount of waste. Can you elaborate on that? Seems completely wrong to me.

Think of how much people throw away each week. A phone is only a couple hundred grams and takes up a small amount of space. Think of how many phones could fit in a single garbage bag. The number will be way more than the number of phones they will go through in their entire life. So in your entire life you are saving a fraction of a garbage bag's worth of garbage.

Right, but it's not the weight that matters, it's the environmental impact. And there I'm convinced that e-waste is not negligible.

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Post by jaclaz »

paulmd wrote: post #687
foobarbecue wrote: post #429

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Loving my Unihertz Atom (for a particular sports application). https://www.unihertz.com/products/atom if you haven't tried one. I agree that it would be great if Nokia did this product but in a reasonable size.

It's interesting hearing in this thread about some of the smaller android companies, you mentioned unihertz and someone else mentioned ulefone. Something a little different from the usual flagships at least.

Another one, JFYI, is Cubot.

I bought an el-cheapo, small (really small) one (originally only to manage EU green passes) that (after that use was over) I started using as a "backup" phone when I cannot carry the (larger, heavier) "main" one.

It turned out to be not bad at all, of course within its limits.

The model I got was a King Kong mini, but I believe that in the last two-three years they made some two or three newer models.

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