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Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

nordsieck wrote: post #519
matheusmoreira wrote: post #444

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I expect lifetime updates. I get that on my real computers: my Linux distribution doesn't suddenly stop updating just because my computer is 3+ years old. Why should phones be any different? You're telling me these trillion dollar corporations can't match the quality of service of Linux distribution maintainers?

> I expect lifetime updates. I get that on my real computers: my Linux distribution doesn't suddenly stop updating just because my computer is 3+ years old. Why should phones be any different? No other desktop OS works like that. Both Windows and MacOS sunset support for devices. Admittedly - after much, much more time than phone OSes, though. > You're telling me these trillion dollar corporations can't match the qua…

> No other desktop OS works like that. Both Windows and MacOS sunset support for devices. Admittedly - after much, much more time than phone OSes, though.

10x more. Windows 10 runs on computers that are 20 years old.

You have to remember billions of people don't live in the west, they live in india or africa where they use equipment much longer.

10 - 20 years is a real lifespan for cars and appliances, it is also realistic for electronics (leaving batteries aside).

The pace of improvement for computer hardware is slowing, so this issue will become more relevant

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by palata »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #554
crispinb wrote: post #529

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> I expect lifetime updates. Do you? Or do you just say/write/comment that you expect that? Actual expecting would be refusing to buy a phone that didn't provide said updates. Otherwise it's just an HN comment, with no (real, physical, 'economic') role to play, certainly not that of an expectation.

I absolutely do. I always buy top of the line flagship phones and use them until they literally break down. Well, I used to do that: my next phone will be an iPhone because of stupid problems like this. Truth is Android's situation used to be tolerable for me because I would always trash the official OS and run something like LineageOS instead. Unfortunately, that will become impossible due to hardware remote attesta…

Can't you choose a phone that does not do hardware remote attestation?

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by IncRnd »

thepangolino wrote: post #561
IncRnd wrote: post #537

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That would increase the cost of the phone, since they would have to support and test the phone long past the expected lifetime. But, this is marketed as a budget phone, so they aren't going to do that.

That’s why he said paid for.

This is a budget phone, so there are very few people who would purchase extended security support after three years. There certainly won't be enough to cover the business costs for keeping the support and testing of an old crufty phone used by few people.

It's unsustainable to put the costs on the backend, so phone's price would have to be raised to cover those extended security updates. But, that won't happen for a budget phone. There just won't be enough people willing to pay after three years.

That's the problem with purchasing a budget phone. You get what you pay for, a phone that will go away soon.

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by palata »

Nextgrid wrote: post #360
fsflover wrote: post #337

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Having the same OS on my laptop and phone is amazing. Android turns a general-purpose device into a restricted one, without a possibility to run desktop apps. Desktop OS allows to use desktop apps on the phone and enjoy convergence: https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Freque... .

> Android turns a general-purpose device into a restricted one Android still runs the Linux kernel and the only reason you can't have shell access on it is user-hostile restrictions, which an open-source build wouldn't have. I think it would be a lot easier to add desktop apps capability to Android for the minority that actually wants to run Linux apps on their phone than building a touch-optimized userspace from scr…

Android runs the Linux kernel, but the rest of the OS is very, very different from typical Linux distributions.

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by palata »

charcircuit wrote: post #299
PaulKeeble wrote: post #20

5 years for parts is better than nothing but its still a lot of e-waste. Ideally given screens and ports and batteries are something that have been around for decades and will be around for decades more in similar ways it would be nice to extend this out longer. With progress on CPUs/GPUs slowing we do need to start to consider much longer usable life times for computer products and having obsolence built in at 5 yea…

>but its still a lot of e-waste Phones are a tiny amount of waste. Trying to get a few extra years out of one is a microoptimization in reducing one's waste output.

> Phones are a tiny amount of waste.

Can you elaborate on that? Seems completely wrong to me.

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Post by [deleted] »

palata wrote: post #582
matheusmoreira wrote: post #554

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I absolutely do. I always buy top of the line flagship phones and use them until they literally break down. Well, I used to do that: my next phone will be an iPhone because of stupid problems like this. Truth is Android's situation used to be tolerable for me because I would always trash the official OS and run something like LineageOS instead. Unfortunately, that will become impossible due to hardware remote attesta…

Can't you choose a phone that does not do hardware remote attestation?

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Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by Dylan16807 »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #566
devy wrote: post #516

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I don't see a 3-year security update as an irony. In fact, I see that as a great gesture for the budget price point android phone has a 3-year software warranty. Nokia probably have done research on this pricing segment to know that the averaging budget android device lifecycle is about 2.x years and guarantee a 3 year security update to make the device more worthy, comparing to other brands at this price point. By t…

> Apple iPhone as the gold standard only provide security updates up to 6-7 years Laughs in Microsoft How about 20 years?! I have a laptop built in 2006, it runs Windows 10 and will be supported untill 2025. It can also run software compiled in 1999! What platform can beat it, an IBM mainframe? Microsoft is the gold standard! Its a shame they never get credit for the one thing they do well.

Well a lot of people are looking at Windows 11, which launched in 2021 and required a ~2018 CPU. Especially when Intel's 8th generation chips were barely different from the ones going back years. Chips close to that cutoff are going to have awful support lifetimes from microsoft if you can't get updates past 2025.

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by palata »

fancyfredbot wrote: post #232

I have owned a fairphone 3, and honestly it was a let down - very expensive to buy and also expensive to repair (the replacement mainboard cost more than a newer better phone). Perhaps this was because of the sustainable sourcing they used but the upshot was that it became ewaste just as quickly as any other phone. This one should at least be cheap to repair!

I think the point of the Fairphone is that usually, the motherboard lives longer than the rest. The goal is to keep the motherboard for as long as possible, by replacing the modules around.

If your motherboard died... well that's unfortunate, but I believe it's not supposed to be the norm.

I, for one, am super happy with my 3+.

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by ohuhuhu »

fencepost wrote: post #574
devy wrote: post #516

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I don't see a 3-year security update as an irony. In fact, I see that as a great gesture for the budget price point android phone has a 3-year software warranty. Nokia probably have done research on this pricing segment to know that the averaging budget android device lifecycle is about 2.x years and guarantee a 3 year security update to make the device more worthy, comparing to other brands at this price point. By t…

By comparison to the Samsung Galaxy A series this is unimpressive. Everything in that line is either 2 OS upgrades/4 years of security updates or 4 OS upgrades/5 years of security updates. That's all the way down to the A03s which is Those are from the release date of the phone, but I think they're doing roughly annual releases on that line. Edit: Samsung also planned for longer device life - there's an option to tur…

I was recently looking for support cycles for Android phones but failed to find anything concrete. Can you point me to where Samsung have documented their support cycle?

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by komali2 »

foobarbecue wrote: post #429
peterlk wrote: post #391

And it comes with a 3mm headphone jack! Hallelujah!! I’m so, so glad someone is stepping up to fill this niche. My only complaint, and it’s kind if a big one, is that the screen is too damn big. I’m tired of phone manufacturers forcing me to carry a television in my pocket. I want something small that I can hold in one hand without a pop socket. I’ll trade performance, camera quality, basically anything for a phone w…

Loving my Unihertz Atom (for a particular sports application). https://www.unihertz.com/products/atom if you haven't tried one. I agree that it would be great if Nokia did this product but in a reasonable size.

I've been running unihertz jelly 2 for ages and it's phenomenal. The only two annoyances I have are no 5g (I'm always tethering my laptop) and that google maps scooter mode just isn't available on this phone and there's basically no solution to get it working (and I'm hard pressed to figure out whose fault that is - google for failing to recognize the device location? Unihertz for failing to indicate my location correctly?)
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