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Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by Spivak » Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 11:21 PM UTC

scyzoryk_xyz wrote: post #285

solarkraft wrote: post #35

I'm happy about this! But, while repairability is always great, a major (maybe the biggest) part of phone obsolescence is due to software. 2 or 3 years of updates are a joke, Apple does up to 8. The best hope here is that this phone's repairability will attract a software hacking community to provide inofficial updates, but what a terrible thing to have to rely on. Besides: Phones by other brands like Pocophone are p…

Psh 5 years? What kind of standard of quality is that? We should have several decades of support for all cheap electronics at least…

And they hated him because he spoke the truth. Phones being disposable is something we just accepted. A POTS phone bought in the 1890’s would work without modification until the 1990’s and still will work today with an adapter. Why? Because we didn’t have continuous protocol churn. If it was invented today in 2 years there would POTS/2, KETTLE, and a draft spec for POTS2.1 written on a used napkin but somehow already in production at Google.

Our stuff turns to trash because everything is built on shifting sand with no thoughts given to supporting it long term and for some reason we like it this way.

Do y’all not long for a future where you can get off the upgrade treadmill because the developer facing API is fixed? Not backwards compatible because that implies you ought to be moving to the next, like once it works you can call it done.

But new shiny thing! Alright, that’s great. Is it so much better that you want everyone in the world to throw away their old devices? Probably eventually but you’re daft if you think those kinds of events should be every few years. God can you imagine if we did that to cars? Sorry, Honda dropped support for your Civic, you can keep using it for a bit but in a year we’re gonna change the roads and it will be undrivable.

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by matheusmoreira » Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 11:21 PM UTC

solarkraft wrote: post #35

I'm happy about this! But, while repairability is always great, a major (maybe the biggest) part of phone obsolescence is due to software. 2 or 3 years of updates are a joke, Apple does up to 8. The best hope here is that this phone's repairability will attract a software hacking community to provide inofficial updates, but what a terrible thing to have to rely on. Besides: Phones by other brands like Pocophone are p…

Wish these chip makers would start playing nice with the Linux kernel already. They should me mainlining their drivers before their products are even releaaed.

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by KyeRussell » Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 11:23 PM UTC

SergeAx wrote: post #368

jimnotgym wrote: post #162

Wow HN. I really interesting new product comes out, a really interesting turn in the right to repair debate, and a return of a famous brand. And instead of talking about that, there are a series of threads about how an iphone costing 5 times as much and is famously difficult to repair is a better phone than this. Get a grip! Can we not have a least one conversation without Apple fanbois wading in?

Apple fanboys really need to convince themselves that their phones are better, otherwise it's an existential threat for their egos.

Let me guess. This is a view you picked up in - at the latest - the 2000s, and haven’t once reflected on since then. What’s next? A joke about writing a novel at Starbucks?

People that - especially in 2023 - make your argument, are tying technology choices to personality just as much (and quite likely way more) than any current “Apple fanboy”. I’ve got no doubt that your ego is tied up in your technology choices. You’re on Hacker News for crying out loud. Your impression of the “other team” is just particularly…outdated.

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by matheusmoreira » Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 11:24 PM UTC

IceWreck wrote: post #349

solarkraft wrote: post #35

I'm happy about this! But, while repairability is always great, a major (maybe the biggest) part of phone obsolescence is due to software. 2 or 3 years of updates are a joke, Apple does up to 8. The best hope here is that this phone's repairability will attract a software hacking community to provide inofficial updates, but what a terrible thing to have to rely on. Besides: Phones by other brands like Pocophone are p…

Its a 150 EUR phone, what more do you expect >

I expect lifetime updates. I get that on my real computers: my Linux distribution doesn't suddenly stop updating just because my computer is 3+ years old. Why should phones be any different? You're telling me these trillion dollar corporations can't match the quality of service of Linux distribution maintainers?

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by lolinder » Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 11:24 PM UTC

cubefox wrote: post #439

Does anyone notice the irony of it being partly repairable, while offering just three years of security updates, after which you basically have to throw the thing away? The repairability sounds nice, but it is very irrelevant compared to the limited software updates. Imagine buying a Windows laptop and only receiving three years of security updates. (I know, most other phones aren't better.) It would have been better…

Yes, I came here to say this.

Swapping out the battery is a great improvement only if the device's lifetime is longer than the battery's, and my batteries tend to last more than three years.

(Writing this on my 5 year old phone that still has the original battery.)

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by b1ue64 » Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 11:24 PM UTC

shp0ngle wrote: post #310

a1371 wrote: post #104

This seems like a Savvy move from Nokia. At least in my country, Nokia phones are remembered for the following: - nearly indestructible - well priced - back pops out Nokia is doing the most sensible thing to reuse these as its differentiator. I understand people taking about the OS. But Nokia has little control over the software and it has also never been its selling point for me with Symbian, and later Windows Phone…

Nokia nowadays has nothing to do with the original company. The name was moved around, first to Microsoft, now it’s some Chinese company I think?

HMD Global, a Finnish company, currently runs Nokia's phone business.

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by ipaddr » Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 11:25 PM UTC

hot_gril wrote: post #339

izacus wrote: post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've noticed that modern Americans really really really dispise choice on the market. If it differs even a little bit from the average, watered down "majority" choice, it's immediately attacked and disparaged. You need to be part of the ingroup, have the same brands in your hand and on your body. Like the 1984 Apple ad - everyone with gray iphone, gray MacBook and AirPods in their ears.

No. I have nothing against choice, I just want the best phone, and it's not this. If only there were a thriving set of standards for mobile/desktop web apps that obviates the need to stick to the iPhone/Android OS duopoly cemented by their app stores, I'd probably change phones.

You just want the best phone? Why not a phone that does the things you want and need? Why the best? The best of today is gone tomorrow. The best phone last year is not the best things year. The worst phone this year is better than the best phone 10 years ago. How long are you going to try to keep up the mirage of having the best? Every new phone release must cause massive panic

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by prmoustache » Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 11:25 PM UTC

peterlk wrote: post #391

And it comes with a 3mm headphone jack! Hallelujah!! I’m so, so glad someone is stepping up to fill this niche. My only complaint, and it’s kind if a big one, is that the screen is too damn big. I’m tired of phone manufacturers forcing me to carry a television in my pocket. I want something small that I can hold in one hand without a pop socket. I’ll trade performance, camera quality, basically anything for a phone w…

My samsung galaxy a as well as my girlfriend's smartphone both have 3.5mm jacks.

I wouldn't call that a niche when most models still have it.

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by wahnfrieden » Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 11:27 PM UTC

peterlk wrote: post #391

And it comes with a 3mm headphone jack! Hallelujah!! I’m so, so glad someone is stepping up to fill this niche. My only complaint, and it’s kind if a big one, is that the screen is too damn big. I’m tired of phone manufacturers forcing me to carry a television in my pocket. I want something small that I can hold in one hand without a pop socket. I’ll trade performance, camera quality, basically anything for a phone w…

you want a watch (wrist or pocket)

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by gt565k » Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 11:27 PM UTC

XDA developers will make a rom and I’m sure it will be a popular phone in that community to the point where open source devs will port latest android updates for a while.