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Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by mNovak »

Klonoar wrote: post #191
jimnotgym wrote: post #162

Wow HN. I really interesting new product comes out, a really interesting turn in the right to repair debate, and a return of a famous brand. And instead of talking about that, there are a series of threads about how an iphone costing 5 times as much and is famously difficult to repair is a better phone than this. Get a grip! Can we not have a least one conversation without Apple fanbois wading in?

So just to be clear: you want to discuss a smartphone, in a vacuum, completely ignoring what - barring a few select Android phones - effectively sets the bar for the industry. It’s not “fanbois”, it’s just reality. HN isn’t the one that needs to get a grip here.

Maybe I'm a luddite with my 2017 phone, but what's meaningfully changed in smartphones in the past 5yrs that Apple is setting the bar on? (Besides pushing screens to the bezel, and the cameras multiplying)

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by dang »

Klonoar wrote: post #191
jimnotgym wrote: post #162

Wow HN. I really interesting new product comes out, a really interesting turn in the right to repair debate, and a return of a famous brand. And instead of talking about that, there are a series of threads about how an iphone costing 5 times as much and is famously difficult to repair is a better phone than this. Get a grip! Can we not have a least one conversation without Apple fanbois wading in?

So just to be clear: you want to discuss a smartphone, in a vacuum, completely ignoring what - barring a few select Android phones - effectively sets the bar for the industry. It’s not “fanbois”, it’s just reality. HN isn’t the one that needs to get a grip here.

Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar. It's tedious, not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by dang »

SergeAx wrote: post #368
jimnotgym wrote: post #162

Wow HN. I really interesting new product comes out, a really interesting turn in the right to repair debate, and a return of a famous brand. And instead of talking about that, there are a series of threads about how an iphone costing 5 times as much and is famously difficult to repair is a better phone than this. Get a grip! Can we not have a least one conversation without Apple fanbois wading in?

Apple fanboys really need to convince themselves that their phones are better, otherwise it's an existential threat for their egos.

Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar. It's tedious, not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by KyeRussell »

izacus wrote: post #298
jimnotgym wrote: post #162

Wow HN. I really interesting new product comes out, a really interesting turn in the right to repair debate, and a return of a famous brand. And instead of talking about that, there are a series of threads about how an iphone costing 5 times as much and is famously difficult to repair is a better phone than this. Get a grip! Can we not have a least one conversation without Apple fanbois wading in?

I've noticed that modern Americans really really really dispise choice on the market. If it differs even a little bit from the average, watered down "majority" choice, it's immediately attacked and disparaged. You need to be part of the ingroup, have the same brands in your hand and on your body. Like the 1984 Apple ad - everyone with gray iphone, gray MacBook and AirPods in their ears.

Do you honestly believe that you’re so much better then the average person? That you’ve unlocked some sort of increased intellectual ability that’s granted you access to The Secret? That you’re just…better than the lemmings?

Statistically speaking, you’re probably of about average intelligence and just have delusions of grandeur relative to “modern Americans”, perhaps based on a fundamental misunderstanding about their thoughts, intentions, and motivations. Do you really think that people “really really really despise” choice in the market? Frankly the most impassioned and vitriolic view…the one that I’d say involves “really really despising” something, or someone, is yours.

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by dang »

smoldesu wrote: post #383
jimnotgym wrote: post #162

Wow HN. I really interesting new product comes out, a really interesting turn in the right to repair debate, and a return of a famous brand. And instead of talking about that, there are a series of threads about how an iphone costing 5 times as much and is famously difficult to repair is a better phone than this. Get a grip! Can we not have a least one conversation without Apple fanbois wading in?

Nothing brings people on HN together like technology, business, and valiently defending Apple from any form of grounded criticism.

Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar. It's tedious, not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by Klonoar »

dang wrote: post #432
Klonoar wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So just to be clear: you want to discuss a smartphone, in a vacuum, completely ignoring what - barring a few select Android phones - effectively sets the bar for the industry. It’s not “fanbois”, it’s just reality. HN isn’t the one that needs to get a grip here.

Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar. It's tedious, not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I'm pointing out that the comment is inviting a flame war, and that it's natural to compare things to the elephant in the room.

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by cubefox »

Does anyone notice the irony of it being partly repairable, while offering just three years of security updates, after which you basically have to throw the thing away? The repairability sounds nice, but it is very irrelevant compared to the limited software updates. Imagine buying a Windows laptop and only receiving three years of security updates. (I know, most other phones aren't better.)

It would have been better if they offered slightly longer security updates in exchange of only letting you change the battery. Other things probably won't break anyway before the security updates stop coming in.

Re: Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by sva_ »

KyeRussell wrote: post #413
sva_ wrote: post #385

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thats like the recent thread where someone asked for a good Linux laptop, and the top comment was to buy a mac. I'll never understand this brand loyalism/consumer mentality, and to what lengths Apple folks will go to promote, justify, and defend their purchase decisions.

Oh please. Get a grip. I’ve honestly got no idea what things are like in this space post-ARM-transition. I don’t really care, either. Historically though, there have been enough people claiming that the hardware quality of a MacBook is so good that it’s worth buying one just to run Linux on it, for it to be considered a ‘serious option’. Are you sure that “promote, justify, and defend their purchase decisions” isn’t…

Apple fanboys calling others elitist. Now I've heard it all.
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