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Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by justinclift »

nonethewiser wrote: post #226
jimnotgym wrote: post #162

Wow HN. I really interesting new product comes out, a really interesting turn in the right to repair debate, and a return of a famous brand. And instead of talking about that, there are a series of threads about how an iphone costing 5 times as much and is famously difficult to repair is a better phone than this. Get a grip! Can we not have a least one conversation without Apple fanbois wading in?

> And instead of talking about that, there are a series of threads about how an iphone costing 5 times as much and is famously difficult to repair is a better phone than this. Get a grip! Can we not have a least one conversation without Apple fanbois wading in? I agree with your sentiment but think we overestimate how much people value right to repair. This is some proof.

> we overestimate how much people value right to repair.

After all this time, perhaps it's more stockholm syndrome?

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Post by ryukafalz »

dmix wrote: post #225
wardedVibe wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do none of the good phone options get sold in the US??!? E.g. Sony has one of the few modern smartphones in a reasonable size (xperia 10II (might be the dumbest name though)), and way too few of the bands work in the American market.

You can't complain about availability of phones (or any electronics) while being in the US. Try living anywhere else like Canada.

We have decent variety in the US, but I think it's fair to want phones for specific purposes that aren't generally served here. The more repairable phones are hard to come by, and as someone who likes trying alternative OSes the phones that seem best served by e.g. Ubuntu Touch (Volla Phone and Fairphone) aren't available.

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Post by smoldesu »

jimnotgym wrote: post #162

Wow HN. I really interesting new product comes out, a really interesting turn in the right to repair debate, and a return of a famous brand. And instead of talking about that, there are a series of threads about how an iphone costing 5 times as much and is famously difficult to repair is a better phone than this. Get a grip! Can we not have a least one conversation without Apple fanbois wading in?

Nothing brings people on HN together like technology, business, and valiently defending Apple from any form of grounded criticism.

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Post by riku_iki »

kuschku wrote: post #357
riku_iki wrote: post #295

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> The real next innovation for an Android device maker will be providing at least 5 years of updates pixels starting with pixel 6 have 5 years of updates.

And require me to throw away headphones that have worked fine for decades. Even this nokia phone has a 3.5mm port, why doesn't Google support it anymore?

there are connectors.

> why doesn't Google support it anymore?

maybe preserve space for something else inside.

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Post by sva_ »

jimnotgym wrote: post #162

Wow HN. I really interesting new product comes out, a really interesting turn in the right to repair debate, and a return of a famous brand. And instead of talking about that, there are a series of threads about how an iphone costing 5 times as much and is famously difficult to repair is a better phone than this. Get a grip! Can we not have a least one conversation without Apple fanbois wading in?

Thats like the recent thread where someone asked for a good Linux laptop, and the top comment was to buy a mac.

I'll never understand this brand loyalism/consumer mentality, and to what lengths Apple folks will go to promote, justify, and defend their purchase decisions.

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Post by SilverBirch »

It's kind of sad to see Nokia releasing such niche products. Most people really don't care about this "DIY" attitude, and those that do immediately shout "Schematics" or "Bootloader". It's a bit of a nightmare market to service, and certainly a far cry from where Nokia used to be (even in the windows days!). This phone is for people who are mad they can't tune the Carburetors on their Tesla.

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Post by crispinb »

rglullis wrote: post #246
happymellon wrote: post #217

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Didn't the US decide to use different frequencies to everyone else?

Plenty of models that can work with all frequencies, so I am not sure if that's enough of a justification. Anyway, your point reminds me that the my "dream smartphone" would be one with no cellular connectivity at all. I'm still waiting for some company to start producing a keychain-sized 4G (or 5G) hotspot with an eSIM, which (I hope) would lead to more people asking for the return of the iPod Touch and for somethin…

> justification

An odd term in this context. No-one has to 'justify' not selling their stuff to Americans.

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Post by makeitdouble »

Entinel wrote: post #103
aio2 wrote: post #84

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You have high standards for a more simple and cheap product.

Those are high standards? They basically said "I want an open-source phone that actually works."

Is the argument that no open-source phone actually works ?

On parent’s point, the Nokia g22 is 180 euros, the iPhone 11 at same capacity was 700 euros at launch. You can’t expect Nokia to contractually promise 8 years of OS updates at that price point.

To note, iPhone also don’t have 5+years of OS support promises, we’re just looking at the trend and assume that it will continue. I’d also expect this Nokia to have a bit more than 3 years of support time, we just don’t know how much.

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Post by goosedragons »

Nextgrid wrote: post #350
qwytw wrote: post #236

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IIRC due to the degrading/faulty(?) batteries they had to choose between random shutdowns and slowing down the phone. I'm not sure I agree with the way they handled this but I don't think they did that because of "corporate greed".

I wouldn't be so generous. Slowing down the phone without any notification is a major problem. Had they added a notification this was happening, there would be no problems at all. Of course, adding such a notification would've prompted many users to seek out battery replacements (and a lot of non-Apple-authorized repair shops would've been happy to meet this demand) and give a new life to their devices, where as sile…

Yeah, they didn't tell Apple Geniuses either IIRC so when users came into the store complaining about a slow phone they weren't recommending a $99 battery replacement but a $699 iPhone 7.

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Post by tomComb »

abliefern wrote: post #367
nevi-me wrote: post #334

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The bulletin specifies only CVE-2023-20912 as being fixed by Play Store. https://source.android.com/docs/security/bulletin/2023-01-01...

Wow. So "the majority of security issues are patched immediately and silently through the play store" seems catastrophically incorrect.

Well, yes, I have to agree. See the other comment I just posted. My understanding is that they are at the point (at least now with Android 13, which is what the Nokia will presumably ship with) that they can update most of userland (and even graphics drivers though that requires vendor participation), so they should be able to address Framework vulnerabilities, which is the critical discrepancy here.
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