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Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by shams93 »

cubefox wrote: post #439

Does anyone notice the irony of it being partly repairable, while offering just three years of security updates, after which you basically have to throw the thing away? The repairability sounds nice, but it is very irrelevant compared to the limited software updates. Imagine buying a Windows laptop and only receiving three years of security updates. (I know, most other phones aren't better.) It would have been better…

Yeah this is why linux phones would be great, we have manjaro with rolling updates, a fully upgradable linux phone would go a really long way in getting control over the ewaste issues.

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Post by josephg »

lolinder wrote: post #597
atleta wrote: post #573

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That's a fair point, but indeed a lot of people will kill their phone in less than 3 years. Either breaking the screen (which, IIUC, will be also replaceable/self servicable) or killing the battery. Most sources say that the battery will keep an acceptable capacity for around 500 cycles, i.e. 1.5 years if fully charged daily. (Now I don't know, because I'm very cautious not to fully charge and to discharge below 25-3…

> Most sources say that the battery will keep an acceptable capacity for around 500 cycles, i.e. 1.5 years if fully charged daily. This is what I see online, but this hasn't been my experience for any of my devices. My current phone is on year 5 with the same battery, and it's still very decent. I charge it every day to 100% and often plug it back in while it's still at 50%, so it's not like I'm being more careful th…

Yeah; and batteries can be replaced when they start losing their charge. New batteries are pretty cheap.

I had an iPhone 6s that I used for about 5-6 years before upgrading and giving it to a friend to use. I replaced its battery at about the 4 year mark, and as far as I know it’s still going strong. I wanted to upgrade it earlier than that, and I could afford to - but why bother when my phone already did everything I needed it to do?

3 years of security updates is a joke. The hardware easily lasts over a decade if you want it to.

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Post by majou »

devy wrote: post #516
cubefox wrote: post #439

Does anyone notice the irony of it being partly repairable, while offering just three years of security updates, after which you basically have to throw the thing away? The repairability sounds nice, but it is very irrelevant compared to the limited software updates. Imagine buying a Windows laptop and only receiving three years of security updates. (I know, most other phones aren't better.) It would have been better…

I don't see a 3-year security update as an irony. In fact, I see that as a great gesture for the budget price point android phone has a 3-year software warranty. Nokia probably have done research on this pricing segment to know that the averaging budget android device lifecycle is about 2.x years and guarantee a 3 year security update to make the device more worthy, comparing to other brands at this price point. By t…

You're mistaken; the iPhone 5s--10 years old come Autumn--received a security update on January 23rd (iOS 12.5.7).

As the first 64-bit phone and the first phone with a proper Secure Enclave (TPM+biometric auth) it's received a lot of love from Apple.

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Post by dadoomer »

kitsunesoba wrote: post #122
Moldoteck wrote: post #77

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What do you think about fairphone 4? According to web, it supports: Fairphone OS CalyxOS DivestOS /e/OS (Murena) iodéOS LeOS LineageOS postmarketOS Ubuntu Touch

Fairphone isn’t and probably won’t be available in North America, sadly.

I'm curious on why you think this. I really would buy one as my next phone.

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Post by steve_adams_86 »

hedora wrote: post #610
wahnfrieden wrote: post #449

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you want a watch (wrist or pocket)

Does a standalone cellular watch exist (as a daily driver for everything you’d expect in that form factor)?

I absolutely love my watch and mostly stopped using my phone since getting it, but it’s mind blowing that such an expensive and capable device is forced to piggy back off of a phone. Why can’t my watch be supported by MacOS rather than iOS?

I mean, I know why, but it’s crazy. As soon as I find a high quality standalone watch I’ll start to seriously consider not having a phone at all. Or perhaps just not an expensive iPhone.

Watches cover pretty much every use case I have with a phone.

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Post by doubled112 »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #587
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #566

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> Apple iPhone as the gold standard only provide security updates up to 6-7 years Laughs in Microsoft How about 20 years?! I have a laptop built in 2006, it runs Windows 10 and will be supported untill 2025. It can also run software compiled in 1999! What platform can beat it, an IBM mainframe? Microsoft is the gold standard! Its a shame they never get credit for the one thing they do well.

Well a lot of people are looking at Windows 11, which launched in 2021 and required a ~2018 CPU. Especially when Intel's 8th generation chips were barely different from the ones going back years. Chips close to that cutoff are going to have awful support lifetimes from microsoft if you can't get updates past 2025.

I laughed out loud when the Ryzen 7 1700X (8c/16t @ 3.4GHz) in my main desktop didn't meet the minimum system requirements.

It's just 5 years old now, and I have a funny feeling it'll be more than powerful enough for a while yet.

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Post by mrelectric »

ip26 wrote: post #563
devy wrote: post #516

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I don't see a 3-year security update as an irony. In fact, I see that as a great gesture for the budget price point android phone has a 3-year software warranty. Nokia probably have done research on this pricing segment to know that the averaging budget android device lifecycle is about 2.x years and guarantee a 3 year security update to make the device more worthy, comparing to other brands at this price point. By t…

The irony is that repairable devices are implied to be maintainable as well, e.g. you can generally keep them in good working order as long as you please. Reasonable or not, a security update sunset contradicts this possibility.

Repairable phone implies level of technical competency. You're not the target audience. Target audience will have no problem installing alternative ROM

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Post by nordsieck »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #581
nordsieck wrote: post #519

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> I expect lifetime updates. I get that on my real computers: my Linux distribution doesn't suddenly stop updating just because my computer is 3+ years old. Why should phones be any different? No other desktop OS works like that. Both Windows and MacOS sunset support for devices. Admittedly - after much, much more time than phone OSes, though. > You're telling me these trillion dollar corporations can't match the qua…

> No other desktop OS works like that. Both Windows and MacOS sunset support for devices. Admittedly - after much, much more time than phone OSes, though. 10x more. Windows 10 runs on computers that are 20 years old. You have to remember billions of people don't live in the west, they live in india or africa where they use equipment much longer. 10 - 20 years is a real lifespan for cars and appliances, it is also rea…

> 10x more. Windows 10 runs on computers that are 20 years old.

1. The last Apple phone that lost OS suppose was the iPhone 6. Apple supported that phone for 7 years.

2. I'm skeptical that Windows 10 would run on many Pentium IV computers. Windows 8 only came out 11 years ago. And I remember a whole lot of computers out there that couldn't run that at the time.

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