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Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by grujicd »

prmoustache wrote: post #448
peterlk wrote: post #391

And it comes with a 3mm headphone jack! Hallelujah!! I’m so, so glad someone is stepping up to fill this niche. My only complaint, and it’s kind if a big one, is that the screen is too damn big. I’m tired of phone manufacturers forcing me to carry a television in my pocket. I want something small that I can hold in one hand without a pop socket. I’ll trade performance, camera quality, basically anything for a phone w…

My samsung galaxy a as well as my girlfriend's smartphone both have 3.5mm jacks. I wouldn't call that a niche when most models still have it.

A is probably A52 or A72. These are the models from 2 years ago. A53/A73 from last year don't have headphone jack. And that's industry wide trend.

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Post by roryisok »

cubefox wrote: post #439

Does anyone notice the irony of it being partly repairable, while offering just three years of security updates, after which you basically have to throw the thing away? The repairability sounds nice, but it is very irrelevant compared to the limited software updates. Imagine buying a Windows laptop and only receiving three years of security updates. (I know, most other phones aren't better.) It would have been better…

Stupid question, but what are security updates in a smartphone context? Surely Android updates are the security updates? Wouldn't keeping this thing up to date with the latest version of Android be enough to be secure? Or am I running a horribly insecure life right now?

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Post by notorandit »

> will be supported for three years

So, after three years either you will be lucky and it will be supported by someone else (read LineageOS and friends) or it will be seen and a security problem.

We don't need just hardware repairability, but also software support.

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Post by enraged_camel »

dataflow wrote: post #685
cubefox wrote: post #439

Does anyone notice the irony of it being partly repairable, while offering just three years of security updates, after which you basically have to throw the thing away? The repairability sounds nice, but it is very irrelevant compared to the limited software updates. Imagine buying a Windows laptop and only receiving three years of security updates. (I know, most other phones aren't better.) It would have been better…

> while offering just three years of security updates, after which you basically have to throw the thing away Nope, you don't. It's just that somehow techies seem to have gotten this meme into their heads that an unpatched life isn't worth living. Can't update my phone within 1 microsecond of a patch being released? I guess I might as well just die. Much safer than risking the > The repairability sounds nice, but it…

>> Can't update my phone within 1 microsecond of a patch being released? I guess I might as well just die. Much safer than risking the Malware can indeed be worse than hell. Have you ever had your bank account hacked? Or your email account broken into? Or your identity stolen and had to deal with dozens of credit cards being registered and then hit the limit under your name?

I’ve had friends (and family) deal with such things, and you know what? I’ll do anything to minimize the risk for myself, including throwing away an expensive gadget that can no longer receive updates for some totally arbitrary reason.

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Post by varenc »

paulmd wrote: post #690
wahnfrieden wrote: post #640

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what do you still need the phone for since they added standalone capabilities?

You need an iphone at least to register the watch to the account, although I don't think anything forces you to keep it after.

Can the Apple watch last all day if it’s using cellular for data and doesn’t have wifi or a phone to piggyback from?

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Post by varenc »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #639
hedora wrote: post #610

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does a standalone cellular watch exist (as a daily driver for everything you’d expect in that form factor)?

i'm pretty sure the apple watch is standalone as of some years back but i'm not certain

You still need a iphone for setup. It’s a hard requirement. But they did semi-recently create a flow where one phone could setup a watch for someone else like you're in a "Family Sharing" group with: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT211768

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Post by dataflow »

enraged_camel wrote: post #714
dataflow wrote: post #685

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> while offering just three years of security updates, after which you basically have to throw the thing away Nope, you don't. It's just that somehow techies seem to have gotten this meme into their heads that an unpatched life isn't worth living. Can't update my phone within 1 microsecond of a patch being released? I guess I might as well just die. Much safer than risking the > The repairability sounds nice, but it…

>> Can't update my phone within 1 microsecond of a patch being released? I guess I might as well just die. Much safer than risking the Malware can indeed be worse than hell. Have you ever had your bank account hacked? Or your email account broken into? Or your identity stolen and had to deal with dozens of credit cards being registered and then hit the limit under your name? I’ve had friends (and family) deal with su…

> Malware can indeed be worse than hell. Have you ever had your bank account hacked? Or your email account broken into? Or your identity stolen [...]

I've never been to hell (I think?)... I suppose I can't assume you're the same, but I'm pretty confident I would much rather deal with, say, a stolen identity, than go to hell.

Most people's risk-tolerances including many life-threatening dangers they face on a daily basis... like getting hit while jaywalking, having their phone igniting in their hands and burning their homes down, dying in an earthquake, etc. If you can't tolerate the same risks as most other people, then great, you have lots of alternative options to choose from. It's not like Nokia is preventing you from imposing your will on yourself or your family.

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Post by foepys »

999900000999 wrote: post #457
peterlk wrote: post #391

And it comes with a 3mm headphone jack! Hallelujah!! I’m so, so glad someone is stepping up to fill this niche. My only complaint, and it’s kind if a big one, is that the screen is too damn big. I’m tired of phone manufacturers forcing me to carry a television in my pocket. I want something small that I can hold in one hand without a pop socket. I’ll trade performance, camera quality, basically anything for a phone w…

Plenty of jacks if you know where to look. Midrange phones like the Moto G line still have them.

I will never buy a high end Android phone for three reasons:

- no headphone jack

- no SD card slot

- all come with ad-ware and un-uninstallable third-party apps like Facebook (except for Google Pixels, which don't satisfy the first two criteria)

Mid range is where it's at. Why pay $200 more for 256 instead of 128 GB when I can put in my 1,000 GB mircoSD card?

It's a shame that Fairphone went with the no SD card trend. I would have really liked to buy their phone...

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Post by petespeed »

_emacsomancer_ wrote: post #699
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #566

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apple iPhone as the gold standard only provide security updates up to 6-7 years Laughs in Microsoft How about 20 years?! I have a laptop built in 2006, it runs Windows 10 and will be supported untill 2025. It can also run software compiled in 1999! What platform can beat it, an IBM mainframe? Microsoft is the gold standard! Its a shame they never get credit for the one thing they do well.

Not much of a gold standard really. I've also a laptop built in 2006, it runs [any flavour of Linux I want] and will be supported indefinitely.

Making parallels with phone software, imagine that edge AI inference becomes a necessity in few years which makes a lot of current hardware obsolete.

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Post by danuker »

999900000999 wrote: post #457
peterlk wrote: post #391

And it comes with a 3mm headphone jack! Hallelujah!! I’m so, so glad someone is stepping up to fill this niche. My only complaint, and it’s kind if a big one, is that the screen is too damn big. I’m tired of phone manufacturers forcing me to carry a television in my pocket. I want something small that I can hold in one hand without a pop socket. I’ll trade performance, camera quality, basically anything for a phone w…

Plenty of jacks if you know where to look. Midrange phones like the Moto G line still have them.

Don't flash LineageOS on the Moto G until you get a year of use at least.

My display started failing after 4 months, when I was browsing intensely (and it was hot to the touch but I was using a pop holder), but they wouldn't fix it under warranty because they claimed the software caused the overheating. Screen replacement would have cost 70% of the device new.

That is when I started boycotting smartphones. I have a 7-year-old device (second-hand) and I do not use it for anything security critical.

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