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No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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And that doesn't include the externalized costs, such as increased domestic violence: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50887893 , impacts on children: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/oct/18/even-moderat... , etc. Now that Americans are more docile it might be a good time to take another shot at alcohol prohibition: https://time.com/5501680/prohibition-history-feminism-suffra... .

yeah, prohibition totally worked.

Why not call McCarthy back too?

Alcohol problems are not the same thing of alcohol consumption.

Also:

Scotland's alcohol consumption is among the highest in the world, according to World Health Organization data; on average, Scots consume the equivalent of more than 13 liters (3.4 gallons) of pure alcohol a year, about 40 percent more than Americans (2.4 gallons)

We in Italy consume less than 7 liters per year (less than 1.8 gallons).

Talking about moderate drinking.

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

#152

And people wonder why young people get lost in hard drugs when all science has to bring to the table is this kind of puritanical view.

No frequency of driving to the store is safe, or jumping in the pool.

Don't drink much. Beyond that, so what?

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

#154
post #70

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This comment adds nothing to the discussion.

The world is full of people who strongly and honestly believe anecdotes are more important than statistics and statistics are meaninglessly astrological in nature. Its a very popular set of beliefs, majority in some areas.

The world is full of people like you who thinks that making this comment ensures you're intellectually superior to others.

I, of course, know what statistics is and how to interpret it , I'm aware drinking isn't especially good for ones health and other aspect of ones life, which is why I'm currently...not drinking.

I'm also aware how silly it is to worry about it and make absolutely claims like "No level..blah".

No level of C02 from fossil fuels is good for us anymore; However, I'm certain you'll get in your car and drive or on a plane and fly soon enough.

The point I'm trying to make is that what matters one minute often seems inconsequential the next, regardless of statistics.

For example, the WHO provides quite shocking statistics on the dangerous of food fires and other heating / cooking methods which are used in my neighborhood: https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/household-a..., it freaks me out but I can't do much about it or my neighbors use of a wood stove. Should I move?

So while I think it's been obvious for sometime, alcohol is bad for ones health, smoke is also bad for ones health, is there anything really new or wise in this bulletin from the WHO, I don't think so really.

Have a read of this on the WHO's website:

FACT: Alcohol-based sanitizers are safe for everyone to use

Alcohols in the sanitizers have not been shown to create any relevant health issues. Little alcohol is absorbed into the skin, and most products contain an emollient to reduce skin dryness. Allergic contact dermatitis and bleaching of hand hair due to alcohol are very rare adverse effects. Accidental swallowing and intoxication have been described in rare cases.

So in this case, my body will adsorb alcohol, but in this case it's ok because it's on another page separate from the one we're discussing?

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

#155
post #51

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That’s basically 1 pint a day, or 16 oz as the ceiling for “light”. That seems reasonable? Not the amount necessarily just the classification.

If you drink the average every day, you will spend a large part of your days inebriated. And if you don't drink the average every day, you will be deeply drunk every few days. It's completely unreasonable to call that level of consumption "light".

1 pint of beer will get you drunk - more like your tolerance is abnormally low and your projecting it on everyone else.

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

#156
post #95

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I dunno, is it a solid article? They say "Risks start from the first drop" and I am having a a hard time imagining how they could prove that, regardless of how likely it is. Looks like fearmongering. I'm sympathetic to the idea that everyone should stop drinking. I'm not a fan of mind-altering drugs and it makes for boring conversation. But we need to get used to the idea that literally nothing is safe. Living kills…

"Risks start from the first drop" If this is true, the medical community is actively causing harm. Many compounded or suspended children's medicines contain alcohol. Many do not have alcohol free alternatives.

> If this is true, the medical community is actively causing harm.

That’s kind of a bizarre way of phrasing it. Yes, the medical community actively causes lesser harms, with the goals of preventing greater harms. Radiation therapy and chemotherapy, for example, are extremely harmful! Yet we use them as cancer treatments because the cancer we are treating with them is probably more harmful than the treatment.

Radiation therapy and chemotherapy are extreme examples, but this analysis is done across medicine with lesser treatments as well—and yes, we change the way we treat people as our understanding of the risks and benefits of various treatments changes.

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

#157
post #131
post #76

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The goal here is to dispel the "extends health" and similar claims often made about light or moderate drinking. If you take a look at the studies you can determine how much of an increased risk you're comfortable with. For example, figure 5 in https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6... When doing this analysis though be sure to note that scientists studying this use 10g drinks, which is 12.5mL of…

I might be wrong here, but I have never heard the claim that 2 beers might be good for your health. I have heard that with wine, but that's not a claim that alcohol is good for your health.

Scientific claims, of course not. “Scientific” claims, however, should not be that surprising.

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

#159

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> The challenge with socialized medicine is that we should now push to ban alcohol, logically. That has not worked in the past. Do you think it would work any better nowadays?

Could present-day China pull something like that off?

Yes prohibition in any form, anywhere has always worked successfully

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

#160
post #72

Cool now do this with refined sugars or high carb diets in general. It'll be the same discussion, addicts trying to rationalize away the science and statistics.

> It'll be the same discussion, addicts trying to rationalize away the science and statistics.

Pretty shocking to see this much denialism going on in a forum that's often much more rational and objective.

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