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No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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I despise the WHO generally but this article is solid. There is too much confusion about alcohol in the medical industry. If you ask European doctors having a glass or two of wine "extends health". If you research typical government guidelines, they say a drink or two a day isn't bad or may even say it's "healthy" [1] The facts are facts. Alcohol is a poison that wrecks havoc on your mind and body. If having one drin…

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Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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> However, latest available data indicate that half of all alcohol-attributable cancers in the WHO European Region are caused by “light” and “moderate” alcohol consumption – less than 1.5 litres of wine or less than 3.5 litres of beer or less than 450 millilitres of spirits per week Half a litre of beer a day is considered "light"?

Beer in the EU is often ~4% alcohol. Half a liter is barely more than a can of Coors light in terms of alcohol volume.

>Beer in the EU is often ~4% alcohol.

Where would that be? German beer is usually 5-5.5%, same for Austria. In Norway it's 4.5-4.7%

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Everybody needs things to have an enjoyable life. Alcohol can be one of those things. It can also destroy your life, of course. As can too much sugar, too much sun exposure, etc etc

hell, too much exercise can mess you up!

"everything in moderation including moderation" is a good adage to go by, imho.

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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There's also a limit between a healthy lifestyle and enjoyment of life, beyond which towards "maximum health" you'll either go to an early grave because of how bland your life is, or live a joyless life avoiding things you'd enjoy. In any case, those kind of "research" is for modern americans (and people taking their cues from anglosaxon culture) , who are already conditioned in such hysteria - which is funny in the…

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Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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I despise the WHO generally but this article is solid. There is too much confusion about alcohol in the medical industry. If you ask European doctors having a glass or two of wine "extends health". If you research typical government guidelines, they say a drink or two a day isn't bad or may even say it's "healthy" [1] The facts are facts. Alcohol is a poison that wrecks havoc on your mind and body. If having one drin…

I dunno, is it a solid article? They say "Risks start from the first drop" and I am having a a hard time imagining how they could prove that, regardless of how likely it is. Looks like fearmongering.

I'm sympathetic to the idea that everyone should stop drinking. I'm not a fan of mind-altering drugs and it makes for boring conversation. But we need to get used to the idea that literally nothing is safe. Living kills us all eventually. The argument against alcohol needs to be that an alcohol-free life is of higher quality.

If we're going to discourage people from doing unsafe things, are we planning to disband the army? There is no safe amount of time to spend in a moving vehicle either, those things are dangerous. Working a day job is no good for people's health. Safe doesn't mean no harm; that is impossible. And the question is always whether the benefit outweighs the cost.

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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I despise the WHO generally but this article is solid. There is too much confusion about alcohol in the medical industry. If you ask European doctors having a glass or two of wine "extends health". If you research typical government guidelines, they say a drink or two a day isn't bad or may even say it's "healthy" [1] The facts are facts. Alcohol is a poison that wrecks havoc on your mind and body. If having one drin…

I think the challenge is really that even spices like pepper cause inflammation. You can always find a downside to anything you ingest. I think you’re correct, the best approach is to explain “safe limits”. Personally, I think it’s fine if people smoke, drink, etc until their heart is content. That said; it’s also why I’m opposed to socialized medicine. Almost everyone I know on social medicine didn’t take care of th…

There is no logical banning of alcohol, we've learned that lesson.

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Driving isn't hazardous to your health. Crashing is. That's like saying eating is unhealthy to your health because you might choke.

Driving is hazardous to other people's health in the form of crashes AND pollution in the form of noise, dust, and exhaust.

ah snap! I was wrong. Driving is not safe at idle as well! So I should rephrase: A running car is never safe.

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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There's also a limit between a healthy lifestyle and enjoyment of life, beyond which towards "maximum health" you'll either go to an early grave because of how bland your life is, or live a joyless life avoiding things you'd enjoy. In any case, those kind of "research" is for modern americans (and people taking their cues from anglosaxon culture) , who are already conditioned in such hysteria - which is funny in the…

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Alcohol is so culturally embedded in West the replies here are so sad. Alcohol is poison and it fucks up kidney, liver and brain. Sets cortisol base levels higher and perpetuates a habit in such a way that, you HAVE to drink to feel normal and relaxed. This cycle perpetuates and you associate alcohol with relaxation all the while alcohol is imposing higher and higher tax on you.

It is like a robber - robbing $100 when you are sleeping and giving $50 when you visit them. Its the unawareness that you are being robbed of hundred makes him look like a good guy.

note: I do not mind your downvote.. but if you are downvoting - please schedule a bloodwork and take a look at your numbers.

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Beverages which taste exactly the same but has no harmful alcohol or toxic side effects, would people still want the toxic version?

i've drunk a fair amount of zero-alcohol beer, and the answer to your question is "yes", for reasons of flavour (alcohol changes this) and effect ("beer. it makes you drunk" - advertising slogan thought up by kingsley amis, i believe)
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