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No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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> However, latest available data indicate that half of all alcohol-attributable cancers in the WHO European Region are caused by “light” and “moderate” alcohol consumption – less than 1.5 litres of wine or less than 3.5 litres of beer or less than 450 millilitres of spirits per week

Half a litre of beer a day is considered "light"?

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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To say this is true for every human being is an assault on the field of genetics. There are several voltage gated ion channels that are inhibited by ethanol. So ethanol can clearly be seen as a medicine in those with genetic changes in these genes that cause channel channelopathies. And anecdotally, my grandfather drank a lot. Not an alcoholic, but he was no teetotaler, and I would often see him sneaking shots of vod…

Sneaking shots is alcoholic behavior.

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Cool, maybe it'll help debunking those "small amounts of alcohol are healthly (from body standpoint)"

no need to debunk the truth.

It's like drugs.

Take too many pills, you die.

Take them when you need them and their benefit will surpass the risks.

Alcohol works the same way.

We know for a fact that moderate drinkers live longer than non-drinkers and heavy drinkers.

We still don't know why.

edit: most people don't want to hear the truth.

Moderate drinker live longer than non-drinkers.

It's a well known fact

For example, one study following more than 333,000 adults for about eight years found light-to-moderate drinkers were more than 20 percent less likely to die prematurely from all causes and from cardiovascular disease in particular than people who never drank at all.

When they tried to "debunk" it the only explanation they could find is that non-drinkers die prematurely because of the risks they took earlier in life.

Confirming that moderation is key, abstinence due to guilt for past behaviour and a sudden fear of death, won't solve anything.

I'm sorry if the alcoholics that took the 12 steps here are triggered by the truth, but your problems are not everyone's problems.

We have been drinking alcohol for longer than we were able to write, we still do it, because it's a social rite, it keeps people together, like a good meal, you can't simply delete it because you used to drink scotch straight from the bottle since the moment you woke up and the only solution you've found is getting a different addiction: staying clean at all costs.

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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The thinking is backwards on this. They state there is no scientific safe drinking level. They even compare it to radiation. The goal is to establish an unsafe level. it's like saying there is no safe speed to drive a car - sure that's technically true, but worthless to say.

And they make zero comment about genetic risk. That’s what matters, genetic risk, as well as the total amount of exposure to carcinogenic’s. It’s just a worthless dumb thing to say.

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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There's also a limit between a healthy lifestyle and enjoyment of life, beyond which towards "maximum health" you'll either go to an early grave because of how bland your life is, or live a joyless life avoiding things you'd enjoy. In any case, those kind of "research" is for modern americans (and people taking their cues from anglosaxon culture) , who are already conditioned in such hysteria - which is funny in the…

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If you need to judge people for what they enjoy to have a joyful life I’m sorry for you.

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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I despise the WHO generally but this article is solid. There is too much confusion about alcohol in the medical industry. If you ask European doctors having a glass or two of wine "extends health". If you research typical government guidelines, they say a drink or two a day isn't bad or may even say it's "healthy" [1] The facts are facts. Alcohol is a poison that wrecks havoc on your mind and body. If having one drin…

Anecdotally I know a lot of really old people who still drink. Maybe I'd know more if they didn't drink. I know one guy who is ~90, survived cancer 3 times and attributes his survival to daily doses of Japanese Shochu. You might be able to argue that alcohol was the cause of the cancer but I guess we'll never know. Disclaimer: Currently not drinking even a drop. Edit: Maybe I'd know more if they didn't drink. ...is a…

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Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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The thinking is backwards on this. They state there is no scientific safe drinking level. They even compare it to radiation. The goal is to establish an unsafe level. it's like saying there is no safe speed to drive a car - sure that's technically true, but worthless to say.

There has been some suggestions that 1-2 drinks is the optimal (extends health etc..). So, this clears up any confusion on that topic. There are many things that are risky but make life worth living, the previous guidance made it appear you could enjoy life (1-2 drinks) with actual upsides which unfortunately turns out not to be the case of drinking.

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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To say this is true for every human being is an assault on the field of genetics. There are several voltage gated ion channels that are inhibited by ethanol. So ethanol can clearly be seen as a medicine in those with genetic changes in these genes that cause channel channelopathies. And anecdotally, my grandfather drank a lot. Not an alcoholic, but he was no teetotaler, and I would often see him sneaking shots of vod…

Do you think he would have lived longer without Alcohol?

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There's also a limit between a healthy lifestyle and enjoyment of life, beyond which towards "maximum health" you'll either go to an early grave because of how bland your life is, or live a joyless life avoiding things you'd enjoy. In any case, those kind of "research" is for modern americans (and people taking their cues from anglosaxon culture) , who are already conditioned in such hysteria - which is funny in the…

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if you think that enjoying stuff is bad, I'm sorry for you.

I also don't need carbonara, pizza, gelato, the beach, snowboarding, my friends, my family to survive...

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