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No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Post by bluGill »

cinntaile wrote: post #64
ozim wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It gets worse where people get issues and they start looking for some diet supplements or pills for "better liver" ,"concentration problems" or whatever else. When first thing they should do is stop drinking alcohol. In the reddit thread about article there was someone who could not connect the dots that after drinking alcohol they would have hangover the next day.

> In the reddit thread about article there was someone who could not connect the dots that after drinking alcohol they would have hangover the next day. To me it sounds like you have been trolled.

I know enough alcoholics who have similar issues connecting dots such that I tend to think it is real. I mostly hangout with teatotalers, most people have a lot more contact, and so probaby haven't realized how normal it is.

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Post by B8MGHCBekDuRi »

polarbeans100 wrote: post #69
B8MGHCBekDuRi wrote: post #23

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no need to debunk the truth. It's like drugs. Take too many pills, you die. Take them when you need them and their benefit will surpass the risks. Alcohol works the same way. We know for a fact that moderate drinkers live longer than non-drinkers and heavy drinkers. We still don't know why. edit: most people don't want to hear the truth. Moderate drinker live longer than non-drinkers. It's a well known fact For examp…

Id be interested in a source as it is my understanding that most of this research was disinformation from the alcohol industry. The small uptick in death rates at 0 alcohol consumption is due to the prevalence of people with severe illness not drinking. The illness causes both the non drinking and the increased risk of death. When this is corrected for, people who drink 0 alcohol live longest.

> Id be interested in a source as it is my understanding that most of this research was disinformation from the alcohol industry

it's independent scientific studies

alcohol industry doesn't need to convince people, they sell alcohol, people enjoy alcohol, it's not like cigarettes that stink and taste horribly and are bad for those around you,e specially kids.

The ability (which is common) to moderate oneself when drinking is associated with general better health (Modest drinkers were more educated, less obese, more active, less smoked, and had lower rates of hypertension, diabetes, and high triglycerides, proteinuria, high uric acid and high level of C-reactive protein when compared with regular drinkers)

So in general we should not look at the substance, but at the person.

non drinkers are usually people who are scared of losing self control.

heavy drinkers are usually people who cannot control themselves and did not chose abstinence.

But the solution is to learn moderation, since young age.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-11427-x

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Post by snozolli »

marcosdumay wrote: post #87
rco8786 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s basically 1 pint a day, or 16 oz as the ceiling for “light”. That seems reasonable? Not the amount necessarily just the classification.

If you drink the average every day, you will spend a large part of your days inebriated. And if you don't drink the average every day, you will be deeply drunk every few days. It's completely unreasonable to call that level of consumption "light".

If you drink the average every day, you will spend a large part of your days inebriated.

You think that a pint of beer will leave you inebriated most of the day?

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Post by simple-thoughts »

Fruit juice also contains small amounts of ethanol, so if the WHO is correct then do not replace your wine with fruit juice.

Or as is more likely, this is completely overblown just as the anti tobacco campaign has been overblown. Yes alcohol and tobacco aren’t good for you, no they are not imbued with magic properties where even 1 drop means cancer.

This type of thinking is common in pre scientific communities, where an object or substance is imbued with “bad energy” and having even the smallest contact with it contaminated the individual.

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Post by dividedbyzero »

MauranKilom wrote: post #90
lettergram wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the challenge is really that even spices like pepper cause inflammation. You can always find a downside to anything you ingest. I think you’re correct, the best approach is to explain “safe limits”. Personally, I think it’s fine if people smoke, drink, etc until their heart is content. That said; it’s also why I’m opposed to socialized medicine. Almost everyone I know on social medicine didn’t take care of th…

> The challenge with socialized medicine is that we should now push to ban alcohol, logically. That has not worked in the past. Do you think it would work any better nowadays?

Could present-day China pull something like that off?

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Post by layer8 »

z3t4 wrote: post #38

I wonder how the data is treated statistically. If 99% of millionaires have consumed alcohol, does consuming alcohol increase the chance of becoming a millionaire!?

The question is, how much alcohol did they consume before becoming a millionaire, compared to the rest of the population. It might actually be less.

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Post by giantg2 »

roenxi wrote: post #95
joemazerino wrote: post #11

I despise the WHO generally but this article is solid. There is too much confusion about alcohol in the medical industry. If you ask European doctors having a glass or two of wine "extends health". If you research typical government guidelines, they say a drink or two a day isn't bad or may even say it's "healthy" [1] The facts are facts. Alcohol is a poison that wrecks havoc on your mind and body. If having one drin…

I dunno, is it a solid article? They say "Risks start from the first drop" and I am having a a hard time imagining how they could prove that, regardless of how likely it is. Looks like fearmongering. I'm sympathetic to the idea that everyone should stop drinking. I'm not a fan of mind-altering drugs and it makes for boring conversation. But we need to get used to the idea that literally nothing is safe. Living kills…

"Risks start from the first drop"

If this is true, the medical community is actively causing harm. Many compounded or suspended children's medicines contain alcohol. Many do not have alcohol free alternatives.

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Post by jannyfer »

lr4444lr wrote: post #34
paiute wrote: post #15

The thinking is backwards on this. They state there is no scientific safe drinking level. They even compare it to radiation. The goal is to establish an unsafe level. it's like saying there is no safe speed to drive a car - sure that's technically true, but worthless to say.

Driving isn't hazardous to your health. Crashing is. That's like saying eating is unhealthy to your health because you might choke.

That’s like saying smoking is not hazardous to your health, getting cancer is.

Jumping off a building is not hazardous to your health, hitting the ground is.

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