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No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Post by lettergram »

joemazerino wrote: post #11

I despise the WHO generally but this article is solid. There is too much confusion about alcohol in the medical industry. If you ask European doctors having a glass or two of wine "extends health". If you research typical government guidelines, they say a drink or two a day isn't bad or may even say it's "healthy" [1] The facts are facts. Alcohol is a poison that wrecks havoc on your mind and body. If having one drin…

I think the challenge is really that even spices like pepper cause inflammation.

You can always find a downside to anything you ingest.

I think you’re correct, the best approach is to explain “safe limits”.

Personally, I think it’s fine if people smoke, drink, etc until their heart is content. That said; it’s also why I’m opposed to socialized medicine. Almost everyone I know on social medicine didn’t take care of themselves (only a maybe one couldnt take care of themselves).

The challenge with socialized medicine is that we should now push to ban alcohol, logically.

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Post by boomboomsubban »

FollowingTheDao wrote: post #41
thehappypm wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sneaking shots is alcoholic behavior.

Give me a break. Do you know my grandfather? When I said sneaking shot, it wasn’t that he was hiding it from anyone. Don’t misinterpret what I say. How do you feel if he wasn’t alcoholic so what? That’s not relevant here the relevance is how it affected his health. He was healthy till he was 99. As well as his marriage and family life. He was a barber till was 82. Tired of you people turning everything into a patholo…

>When I said sneaking shot, it wasn’t that he was hiding it from anyone.

Sneak generally means do something stealthily. Pretty easy to misinterpret, hell I'm still not sure what you meant by "sneak" besides hiding it.

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Post by Armisael16 »

thriftwy wrote: post #24

Human liver has enzymes to metabolize alcohol for energy, which implicitly makes this claim questionable. If we have it, why not be putting it to work?

The human body also has ways to heal broken bones - are you arguing that it’s a waste to not use those as well?

We’ve developed means to more effectively handle certain common poisons. That doesn’t mean they aren’t dangerous.

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Post by arsome »

paiute wrote: post #15

The thinking is backwards on this. They state there is no scientific safe drinking level. They even compare it to radiation. The goal is to establish an unsafe level. it's like saying there is no safe speed to drive a car - sure that's technically true, but worthless to say.

The goal here is to dispel the "extends health" and similar claims often made about light or moderate drinking.

If you take a look at the studies you can determine how much of an increased risk you're comfortable with. For example, figure 5 in https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6...

When doing this analysis though be sure to note that scientists studying this use 10g drinks, which is 12.5mL of ethanol, one tallboy of 6.5% beer is therefore about 2.5 drinks.

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Post by B8MGHCBekDuRi »

coldtea wrote: post #3

There's also a limit between a healthy lifestyle and enjoyment of life, beyond which towards "maximum health" you'll either go to an early grave because of how bland your life is, or live a joyless life avoiding things you'd enjoy. In any case, those kind of "research" is for modern americans (and people taking their cues from anglosaxon culture) , who are already conditioned in such hysteria - which is funny in the…

> The average Italian, for example, should, and definitely, would just laught this off.

we don't even drink that much, compared to other countries.

we simply enjoy it, even if it doesn't make our life longer, like many other activities that are not even enjoyable.

https://ourworldindata.org/alcohol-consumption

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Post by PartiallyTyped »

nordsieck wrote: post #45
paiute wrote: post #15

The thinking is backwards on this. They state there is no scientific safe drinking level. They even compare it to radiation. The goal is to establish an unsafe level. it's like saying there is no safe speed to drive a car - sure that's technically true, but worthless to say.

> They state there is no scientific safe drinking level. They even compare it to radiation. The goal is to establish an unsafe level. it's like saying there is no safe speed to drive a car - sure that's technically true, but worthless to say. Which is ironic, because, while most people use the "Linear no-threshold" model for radiation, we know that small amounts of radiation are actually beneficial. The most charitab…

> Which is ironic, because, while most people use the "Linear no-threshold" model for radiation, we know that small amounts of radiation are actually beneficial.

How could ionizing radiation be beneficial? Unless the argument is exposure to ultraviolet in order to get Vitamin D, I can’t imagine ionizing radiation to be beneficial in any way.

Edit:

> The good includes abundant evidence showing increased 1) physiologic performance, 2) immune competence, 3) health, and 4) mean lifespan.

From the article in the comment below. Apparently in very low doses it stimulates the immune system and healthy cell reconstruction.

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Post by zabzonk »

rileymat2 wrote: post #58
bryanlarsen wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The dose makes the poison - Paracelsus

> “We cannot talk about a so-called safe level of alcohol use. It doesn’t matter how much you drink – the risk to the drinker’s health starts from the first drop of any alcoholic beverage. The only thing that we can say for sure is that the more you drink, the more harmful it is – or, in other words, the less you drink, the safer it is,” explains Dr Carina Ferreira-Borges, acting Unit Lead for Noncommunicable Disease…

of course, this "expert" has no self-interest for pushing this kind of stuff?
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