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As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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kapral18 wrote: post #636
reso wrote: post #596

Mick West's breakdowns of the Pentagon UAP videos was the nail in the coffin of this era of UFO hype for me. https://youtu.be/Le7Fqbsrrm8?t=665 These were supposed to be the smoking gun evidence. UFO believers inside the DoD and as high up as US Senators fought for years to get them declassified. As soon as they were public, they were all quickly identified as sensor glare, bokeh, or mis-understood perspective. More…

Check out the debunk of the debunk :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBt4CNHyAck

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Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by bsder »

naasking wrote: post #784
bsder wrote: post #348

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How long did it take until we confrimed ball lightning and the weird things it does? And then how much longer until we have an explanation? Weird shit exists. Shrug. However, eyewitness testimony is inherently unreliable. We know and have proved this over and over and over. The "problem" with pilots is that getting marked as "mentally unstable" can get you grounded. So, do you report every strange thing you think you…

> How long did it take until we confrimed ball lightning and the weird things it does? We still don't have direct evidence of ball lightning, but it's taken seriously nonetheless. The comparison is apt here.

I thought we finally captured real pictures of lightning doing weird "ball lightning-like" things given how many scientific monitoring cameras there now are.

I could be wrong, though, as I don't follow it scientifically.

Perhaps I should have chosen "rogue waves" instead as something weird that we had lots of eyewitness testimony of yet took us ages to finally confirm.

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Post by pyinstallwoes »

Jach wrote: post #722
ActorNightly wrote: post #493

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The issue with all these reports is that there is a distinct lack of detail surrounding the sighting. At most its visual reports and very blurry IR footage. Zero mention of anything else. Lets take an example of the Tic Tac from the incident, that was supposedly moving very fast. If it had a physical presence, ie could interact with the world, it would seem very likely that pilots would describe the resultant shockwa…

The most plausible explanation that they could be fully invisible but chose not to be I've heard so far is from Robin Hanson, but there are several parts and that alone lowers its probability. Still, fun to think about, and also addresses things like how they could be here/find us at all, why are they here, what do they want to achieve. I'll risk a summary rather than just linking out... First they would be pan-sperm…

To your last point of seeing them less with more advanced sensors, wouldn’t you be able to say otherwise as well? Given that we have the higher capability to detect it would behoove a sufficiently advanced intelligence to stray away from that region. So I don’t think you can conclude with higher probability that it implies a hoax.

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Post by likeabbas »

scotty79 wrote: post #879
likeabbas wrote: post #870

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All you do is take one point from each of their accomplishments out of context and refute their entire credibility. Gary Nolan is the one of the premiere immunologists and pathologists in the world. He has created multiple multi-million dollar companies. He was asked by the CIA to perform scans on people who had been encountered UAP and had health effects or death. Avi Loeb is a renowned Harvard astrophysicist. Yes,…

All of my credentials is that I learned a bit of physics and I read a bit of SF and I can tell one from the other. If it was about existence of leprechauns and effects of meeting them you'd have no problem dismissing it as well regardless of how accomplished people would be interested in the subject. And if it's UFO which has exactly the same amount of confirmed evidence as leprechauns suddenly there's a problem and…

You put that so wonderfully. The DoD and other scientists should absolutely stop investing things that are hovering over their naval ships and nuclear silos just because a man on hacker news would rather see other people investigating them. Your credentials having read a bit of physics are so, so helpful. Please, help the rest of the feeble planet with your intellect because you are truly the one person who knows what is worth investigating and what isn't.

> And if it's UFO which has exactly the same amount of confirmed evidence as leprechauns

That is absolutely false. The 3 navy videos have enough evidence behind them to show UAP are real and exhibiting interesting flight characteristics. You are denying hard evidence - for what reason I don't know.

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Post by simonh »

ctvo wrote: post #843
simonh wrote: post #735

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Because I watched his review analysis, I saw the instrument readings in the video that the pilots were talking about. I've listened to the explanation of what the instrument readings show, including explanatory diagrams, which has been confirmed by other experts on those systems. It's perfectly obvious in the bird video that the pilots are mistaken, their recorded statements are obvious misreadings of the instrument…

> Because I ... lack trust in institutions. I think I'm smarter than experts, and know better with 1/1000th the training, and 0 context they have access to. See my other contributions on covid or the war in Ukraine. (Not targeting you specifically, but the general sentiment)

You can jab at me personally as much as you like. It doesn’t change a data recording of tracking a bird into evidence of UFOs.

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Post by naasking »

bsder wrote: post #882
naasking wrote: post #784

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> How long did it take until we confrimed ball lightning and the weird things it does? We still don't have direct evidence of ball lightning, but it's taken seriously nonetheless. The comparison is apt here.

I thought we finally captured real pictures of lightning doing weird "ball lightning-like" things given how many scientific monitoring cameras there now are. I could be wrong, though, as I don't follow it scientifically. Perhaps I should have chosen "rogue waves" instead as something weird that we had lots of eyewitness testimony of yet took us ages to finally confirm.

Wikipedia page lists one possible direct detection a few years ago, but that's still being debated. We have lab generated plasma phenomena that are similar to ball lightning but those conditions seem unlikely to exist in our natural environment.

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Post by jononor »

mikrotikker wrote: post #796
ActorNightly wrote: post #644

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The point is that you can make any number of stories about aliens trying to explain the phenomenon, and there would be some that would be way more believable then some object breaking pretty well established known physical laws with the only explanation that "aliens have ADVANCED SCIENCE" For example, Aliens living among us for a while, undetected, and having the ability to place false memories in peoples heads becau…

Why does it have to be off world tech? Take a smartphone back enough years and people are going to be similarly blown away. Also you act like the science and the laws are settled but we all know science doesn't work like that. New discoveries happen all the time its that for the laws of physics those changes don't happen often. What laws of physics revelations will the next Newton or Einstein offer us?

For a smartphone to be fundamentally unexplainable by relevant experts one would have to go back more than 100-200 years, I think. The first trans Atlantic radio transmission was in 1902, for example. Though I guess even the experts of the day might struggle to believe that the device is practically realizable, since it probably would defy many a conception of what is doable (if not theorically possible). There are some things now that seem impossible, which in 200 years might be commonplace. Idk, maybe residential grade or even portable nuclear power.

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Post by carabiner »

reso wrote: post #609
carabiner wrote: post #292

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It could be like a lens flare / bokeh that rotates with the camera, but that doesn't change the fact that it originated from a flying object. A camera artifact doesn't rule out that the camera was still tracking something, even if the remarks about it "rolling" and maneuvering were off base. Just as you'll see lens flare when you film the sun - the sun is real even though the flare streaks on video are artifacts.

You're right, the camera was tracking something: an airplane.

stfu

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Post by phs318u »

reso wrote: post #606
phs318u wrote: post #317

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Please provide references to this analysis. There are plenty of folks here who'd love to read this.

Gofast, FLIR and Gimbal all have very compelling explanations: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le7Fqbsrrm8 Mick West has reported on this all over the place.

Interesting, yet I find David Fravor's response to the points that Mick makes (on the Lex Fridman podcast) quite compelling.

It's possible that this entire endeavour (the military witnesses and the release of the videos by the pentagon) is one huge psyop, but given the number of years, the number of individuals involved, that quickly starts getting into conspiracy theory territory itself.

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Post by wpietri »

danenania wrote: post #846
wpietri wrote: post #754

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Sure, if we imagine that there are gods, then we can imagine that they would be superior to us in interesting ways. Imagination's neat like that.

We don't have to 'imagine' aliens though. We can deduce from the size of the galaxy/universe and the fact that we ourselves exist that they are at least reasonably likely to exist, and some of them are reasonably likely to be more advanced than us. There is no similar chain of logical deduction based on empirically observed facts that can lead you to the existence of gods or ghosts or demons. Aliens are not like 'god…

There is absolutely zero data on the presence of life in the universe. You are imagining that life out there. Which is fine! I sometimes imagine it too. It's fun to imagine, but we are just filling in gaps with imagination. As an example, note that people imagined life on Mars based on "evidence". Life with canals and everything. [1] But once our telescopes got better, those same alien civilizations got pushed back just out of their range.

A process strikingly similar to what religious people do with gods, angels, etc. There's also no real data on where the universe comes from, so they can imagine that it is due to god(s). God used to be on a high mountain, or just above the sky. But like the Martians, He has had to up sticks and move to loftier realms.

I'll also note that some of the alien-imaginers use exactly your reasoning to derive gods. Statistically, aliens must exist, and they must have existed long before us, and they must therefore be so technologically advanced that UFOs are real and we can't prove it just because they are so superior. Or, alternatively, that those aliens caused us in one way or another, from shaping our evolution to seeding our planet to creating the universe.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martian_canals

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