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As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by bananabiscuit »

kapral18 wrote: post #636
reso wrote: post #596

Mick West's breakdowns of the Pentagon UAP videos was the nail in the coffin of this era of UFO hype for me. https://youtu.be/Le7Fqbsrrm8?t=665 These were supposed to be the smoking gun evidence. UFO believers inside the DoD and as high up as US Senators fought for years to get them declassified. As soon as they were public, they were all quickly identified as sensor glare, bokeh, or mis-understood perspective. More…

Check out the debunk of the debunk :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBt4CNHyAck

Also the debunk of the debunk of the debunk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT1uRf5_dF4

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by qikInNdOutReply »

Imagine a civilization, long dead, leaving a gravestone. A laser in orbit of there homeworld, beaming short "candles" aka datapulses to the projected locations of worlds in other habittable star systems.

We can see these worlds, we could beam a message there, even a short story how we failed with warnings.

So what could be seen at the endpoint? A flickering light disk traversing a cloud cover, with the speed of planetary rotation. (400 m/s)

I do want to believe, that this is whats out there. Lots of failed societies trying to warn us, the message encoded in math.

Exponential Series.. for 100 years. Zero forever.

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Post by astrange »

stevenhuang wrote: post #695
astrange wrote: post #215

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If the places to learn this info are JR and Lex Friedman, it can't possibly be true.

Podcasts are just a form of easily digestible popular media. If you're actually interested in learning see UFOs: Generals, Pilots, and Government Officials Go on the Record by Leslie Kean. There are many such books with independent accounts of those who have experienced strange phenomena, that are all consistent with each other. These books are well researched and highly sourced with credible witnesses. I suggest you…

Oh I have. I also read all the legal documents for To The Stars; I thought it was notable that the marketing all sort-of kind-of offers to release alien hyperspace drives but none of the SEC documents do and their startup valuation doesn't include any.

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Post by wpietri »

ElFitz wrote: post #610
wpietri wrote: post #515

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>But the existence of aliens would in no way contradict any physical laws or scientific consensus. The existence of aliens, sure. But the presence of aliens on Earth pretty much does. There's no reason to think FTL travel is possible, and it's economically unreasonable to think some species is going to invest in generation ships to cross the great interstellar gulfs just so that they can fuck around with pilots and a…

That would probably depend on the scale. I'm pretty sure, to the extent they could imagine anything, ants would find it unimaginable and economically absurd for any creature to spend monstrous (to them) amounts of energy just to fuck around with them 10 minutes and then leave. For us, it's just another 5 years old.

Sure, if we imagine that there are gods, then we can imagine that they would be superior to us in interesting ways. Imagination's neat like that.

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Post by dTal »

defrost wrote: post #718
dtx1 wrote: post #717

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Making my point for me, all that Data could be trivially faked, in 5 years probably by telling chatGPT10.3 "Make a website proving that North Korea exploded nukes" and I have 0 way to verify any of this. Yet I believe that those Sensors Measured what they did and north korea did in fact explode a few nukes.

How would chatGPT "trivially fake" paper readouts digitised and signed in real time from multiple sensor sites controlled by multiple independent countries and legal jurisdictions? > and I have 0 way to verify any of this. That would be because you haven't joined any geophysical data organisations .. and that'd be on you.

I notice "argument from personal ignorance" is common in "believer" circles (not just of aliens, but of all kinds of conspiracy theories). If you happen to be well educated enough to provide a detailed explanation of why a particular thing they've said doesn't hold water, it's frustratingly common for them to fall back on "well I'm not an expert, I don't know all the details, I'm just asking questions." Somehow it never occurs to them not to make wild assertions when they "don't know all the details".

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Post by wnkrshm »

bonestamp2 wrote: post #381
scarier wrote: post #316

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Frankly, I think the reality is even less interesting than that. US military aviators are trained to be proficient systems operators, but typically (and, I want to stress, very reasonably) have little or no education in EM/EO theory, and don't always understand the assumptions that engineers baked into these systems to optimize them for their primary use cases (which, in the case of targeting pods, is identification…

> but for those of you out there who think that what you see on the scope is a perfect analog of the real world, boy do I have some bad news for you... What about when the radar data, the pilot's own eyes, and the targeting pod data all complement each other? What about when the Navy has a patent for craft that can fly the way these 3 data sources described? What about when the "unidentified" craft is coming from San…

Or an undisclosed radar/laser capability. Plasma can reflect radar and it emits light - a focused phased array could create local plasma somewhere that other craft pick up.

Ofc, once you#ve done that you may not want third parties to know. Something as banal as 'we made air glow a few miles away' can expose capabilities of some vital systems that you don't want third parties to know. Edit: I mean, with that information, someone could do some napkin math on what can still be seen and what can't (by e.g. a naval radar suite, focusing on a spot in the air using a phased array).

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Post by naasking »

reso wrote: post #596

Mick West's breakdowns of the Pentagon UAP videos was the nail in the coffin of this era of UFO hype for me. https://youtu.be/Le7Fqbsrrm8?t=665 These were supposed to be the smoking gun evidence. UFO believers inside the DoD and as high up as US Senators fought for years to get them declassified. As soon as they were public, they were all quickly identified as sensor glare, bokeh, or mis-understood perspective. More…

> Mick West's breakdowns of the Pentagon UAP videos was the nail in the coffin of this era of UFO hype for me.

I honestly don't know why anyone thinks West has managed to explain everything. These objects were picked up by multiple sensor systems which wouldn't show the same artifacts. Of the hundreds to thousands of reports, the DoD analysis managed to explain all except something like 14. There's still something to left to explain here.

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Post by likeabbas »

stevenhuang wrote: post #666
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #178

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Honestly the "it's aliens" explanation is so unlikely that I'd put "Wakanda is real" above it in my probability tables.

You can update your priors by looking into more cases. A pattern emerges. See UFOs: Generals, Pilots, and Government Officials Go on the Record by Leslie Kean.

I just want to say thanks for your inputs in this thread.

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Post by naasking »

mihaaly wrote: post #668
ajhurliman wrote: post #588

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Things that fly seems to be in-scope with their training

Are they trained and used to judge things not fitting to the patterns (shape, behaviour, position, ...) of human made objects? Trained in the 'impossible'? I assumed their training has bounds on how human made objects behave. When something is outside this envelope may trigger non-standardised responses rooting in personality affected anchoring to some snippets of prior knowledge. Just like for any other human being…

> Are they trained and used to judge things not fitting to the patterns (shape, behaviour, position, ...) of human made objects? Trained in the 'impossible'? I assumed their training has bounds on how human made objects behave.

Presumably they are trained on distinguishing aircraft from birds and weather balloons. If they see something "impossible" given that training, then there's clearly something that needs an explanation.

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