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As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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There's a whole lot of seemingly rational and well grounded theorizing about why aliens should exist. But there's no evidence for it, despite many years of looking. At a certain point, when you can't reconcile observed reality with your beautiful theory, you've got to question the theory. That's the essence of science, discarding theories that cannot be reconciled with observed reality. It may be the case that advanc…

There’s “no evidence” only if you ignore what has been happening on our skies for the past 70+ years. To be sure SETI has found nothing, nor has Hubble, nor JWT, nor Sloan nor Voyager nor Opportunity. Yet something keeps showing up in our skies, year after year, decade after decade, and that something is widely and roundly ignored.

How is unexplained phenomena 'evidence'?

Because 'aliens might exist' is a theory and 'there is stuff that happens in the sky that has not been formally explained' is a fact, why should we connect the two as evidence of one another?

'Cockroaches taste like jellybeans' is a theory. 'Many people waking up in the middle of the night, having heard a rustling, without being able to see put something in their mouth that tastes like a jellybean, living near and employed at a jellybean factory' is not evidence of this theory.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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The great thing about perception is that "Objects demonstrating extreme capabilities routinely fly over our military facilities and training ranges. We don’t know what they are, and we are unable to mitigate their presence." uses one word (fly) in a way which can be read as implying they are there. Sorry. You saw something. your sensors reported something. Was it there? Good question. it IS a question. Really what I…

What's a CCD error? And how does the CCD know which way you're pointing it to know where to inject the fake UFO?

Remember, the objects display "impossible" nonlinear flight trajectories. So I hardly think "which way is up" matters at this point.

CCDs aren't used much these days. But the principle is the same: if you think any kind of digital sensor behind a camera is an error-free input source, I have a UFO detector to sell you..

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Excluding otherworldly forms of speculation about why possible aliens are visiting us, this subject really boils down to four tangible questions about how we arrived at this footage and the eyewitness accounts from Fravor et al: - Is it aliens? - If not, do these sightings represent real unexplainable technological phenomena (advanced propulsion technology)? - If not, are the eyewitness accounts credible? - In any ca…

Spoiler. It’s never aliens

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Pilots are notoriously bad observers of anything outside their training. They see what they expect to see, just like any other humans.

Things that fly seems to be in-scope with their training

Identifying what some aircraft in the distance is by sight, at night, is not in their training. Identifying that it is _something_ so as to avoid it, is, but identifying what it is, is not.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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What's antisemitic from my words? But you're correct: people see patterns, like me or you, and they're often wrong, but not always. The truth lurks in there somewhere. But that was just my theory based on personal experience and observation. I'm not interested in political, religious or racial discussions.

These are all tropes about (((JEWS)) historically, ((NEW WORLD ORDER) is ((JEWS)). It's thinly veiled stuff to a lot of people. Coincidental here I'm sure, but it can raise the hackles. Especially 'secret fraternities', makes you think freemasons etc often used pejoratively by anti semites. Just shedding some light here not making any accusations.

Strawman fallacy that happens all the time. You said globalist, you must be a racist anti-semite! So sad to see such drivel. You want to talk about the real "New World Order" and globalists it can be done, with plenty of citations and sources, but you don't want to hear that (to be fair, most don't) and would rather label any mention of this very real set of conspiracies as something horrible in order to justify ignorance of the subject matter while also attacking it.

Maybe HN is about ready for a more frank discussion on this topic, with the details layed out.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Mick West's breakdowns of the Pentagon UAP videos was the nail in the coffin of this era of UFO hype for me. https://youtu.be/Le7Fqbsrrm8?t=665

These were supposed to be the smoking gun evidence. UFO believers inside the DoD and as high up as US Senators fought for years to get them declassified.

As soon as they were public, they were all quickly identified as sensor glare, bokeh, or mis-understood perspective. More generally this showed how easy it is to misinterpret the information being put out by complex sensors like FLIR, even the operators do it.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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They even patented it! Yeah that's pretty obviously what this is.

There are people who have patents for anti-gravity propulsion systems so this is hardly proof of what it is.

Anti-gravity doesn't have working demonstrations available: https://www.google.com/search?q=tangible+holographic+plasma

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Things that fly seems to be in-scope with their training

Identifying what some aircraft in the distance is by sight, at night, is not in their training. Identifying that it is _something_ so as to avoid it, is, but identifying what it is, is not.

Yes it is? You have to know if it's an enemy aircraft, and which one. You have to study each model so you know what you're up against. WW2 pilots spent a lot of time memorizing enemy aircraft silhouettes and performance details

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Some of these objections are so broad the exclude the possibility of a legit optical illusion. Most of the stuff we see in space isn’t there. The day sky isn’t blue, the night sky isn’t black, stars don’t twinkle, etc. Our military sensors are specifically trained to exclude most phenomena. Is it so much to believe that optical illusion are common at high altitudes? And that militaries don’t like their pilots “seeing…

Do what now? Those things you listed aren’t actually optical illusions, are they? Pretty sure the sky is actually blue.

There’s nothing in the sky that’s actually blue. You won’t get blue stains on an aircraft.

It’s because of weird radiation thing that happens in many contexts. Including the irises of people with “blue” (transparent) eyes.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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I worked on stealth aircraft that would occasionally cause civilian UFO reports. It was common for the reports to mention that these UFOs maneuvered unlike any man-made aircraft, which was always a good chuckle because they were usually just flying straight or banking normally. However when seasoned military pilots like Fravor speak on the matter, I listen. When a bunch of them speak about the same incident, I take t…

Pilots are notoriously bad observers of anything outside their training. They see what they expect to see, just like any other humans.

Please qualify the statement "notoriously bad"
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