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As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by deadbeeves »

scarier wrote: post #429
deadbeeves wrote: post #405

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Isn't it a given that if a plane is requesting a read that they want to check their measurement against a different one, though?

ATC probably thought they were giving a different measurement. Especially in older planes, systems aren't particularly well integrated, and most of the time you ask them what they're seeing because you can't check your own Mode C altitude in the cockpit and want to compare it to your barometric altimeter (and yes, they generally do use the same static source, but it isn't atypical for them to read differently). Think…

That sounds kind of worrying. It sounds like if a pilot has a malfunctioning altitude meter they can only check it visually or have a completely independent GPS on hand. I don't see what else the crew or the ATC could have done in that instance, given their equipment. I also don't understand why a radar of all things can't give a more precise measurement of altitude. Even a person with binoculars could probably be more precise than +/- 1 mile.

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Post by deadbeeves »

ethbr0 wrote: post #469
deadbeeves wrote: post #424

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You're talking about a different interpretation of the word "UFO" than I used above. Ever since those reports came out some years ago of pilots reporting UFOs, the implication has been very strong that "UFO" doesn't just mean "here's something that showed up on the sensors that we don't know what it is". Yes, the military should investigate all reports of UFOs in the strict sense to see if they've found some new piec…

The current furore, from the more reasonable heads in Congress, is that the military has historically not done that. They had (a) no centralized collection point or widely used reporting mechanism, (b) no staffed office tasked with investigations (afaik, only the Navy had an office, and it was ~3 bodies with other duties), & (c) no periodic review. They essentially ignored it as a potential problem. So Indiana Jones,…

Fair enough. That is pretty dumb and rather a major oversight IMO.

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Post by ActorNightly »

runjake wrote: post #31
dopeboy wrote: post #13

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What would you say is the most credible incident that everyone should take seriously?

The Nimitz Incident of 2004(?). Extremely detailed visual and sensor events. Tons of human witnesses. Tons of activity. There was a detailed Reddit thread on the incident from a Seaman many, many years ago long before news of the Tic Tac came out. I’m on mobile but perhaps someone else can paste the thread URL. Could be an elaborate hoax but that’s one heck of a long con game.

The issue with all these reports is that there is a distinct lack of detail surrounding the sighting. At most its visual reports and very blurry IR footage. Zero mention of anything else.

Lets take an example of the Tic Tac from the incident, that was supposedly moving very fast.

If it had a physical presence, ie could interact with the world, it would seem very likely that pilots would describe the resultant shockwave. Depending on the possibilities of the propulsion system, its highly likely that you would get EM interference, possibly even some physical disturbance if the craft came close to the observing plane.

If it didn't have a physical presence, like it was folding space or something and traveling in a bubble, then it seems very, very strange that an advanced civilization can fold space to effectively travel without any impact on the world, but let the EM radiation that is light/heat leak out. You would think they could just be fully invisible.

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Post by belter »

cma wrote: post #106
themodelplumber wrote: post #65

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There are/were also pilots specifically going for that effect... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6nox5_QStw&t=1082s This despite the existence of people like Rendlesham's Colonel Halt, and so on, is, indeed, a very interesting military-UAP venn-ecosystem. I think it's a fascinating combination to study. Military psychology also naturally disincentivizes "looking into things" (see for example Colonel Halt's thoughts…

Fravor admitted to the same kind of pranks on Joe Rogan.

(At correct time): https://youtu.be/Eco2s3-0zsQ?t=2942

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Post by revscat »

vinaypai wrote: post #460
vinaypai wrote: post #455

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It's US chauvinism that leads people here assume that any advanced tech beyond our capabilities must be magic or aliens. The US isn't the only country with secret military research projects.

To be clear the advanced tech doesn't actually have to be manoeuvering in amazing ways. It could be an electronic warfare system that messes with sensors to make it appear so.

My worst fear is simply an advanced technology that provides a means to remotely trigger action potentials at will. At that point anything is possible.

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Post by belter »

jseliger wrote: post #35
runjake wrote: post #31

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The Nimitz Incident of 2004(?). Extremely detailed visual and sensor events. Tons of human witnesses. Tons of activity. There was a detailed Reddit thread on the incident from a Seaman many, many years ago long before news of the Tic Tac came out. I’m on mobile but perhaps someone else can paste the thread URL. Could be an elaborate hoax but that’s one heck of a long con game.

The original appears to have been deleted, but you may be referring to https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1qyu5i/my_ufo_encount...

It starts by saying..."...I am relaying information and supporting circumstances, I did not see a UFO personally. However, it is an interesting story."

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Post by Infinitesimus »

Slighted wrote: post #458
deepnotderp wrote: post #385

ITT: Multiple fighter pilots (whose sole job is to understand aerial objects by eye and sensors), radar, camera and infrared have seen these. “It’s a glitch, lens flare and/or the pilots are stupid, but me a programmer is an expert in this.”

Every once in a while I'll come across threads like this on HN where most posters make enormous assumptions, are confidently incorrect, or refuse to be even slightly open-minded, and it makes me lose faith in this place. It comes off as a red flag, indicative of the rest of the site. There's a relevant Reddit quote that I don't have access to at the moment, but it goes something like this: "I'm an expert on X topic.…

That is the Gell-Mann amnesia effect in action: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Crichton#GellMannAmn...

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Post by spudlyo »

DonHopkins wrote: post #152
krapp wrote: post #16

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Were they really really big, black and triangular?

Yellow, Black and Rectangular. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmNfPkdCRf8

You know how many time zones there are in the Soviet Union?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDmWYVdN8ug

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Post by epgui »

jack_pp wrote: post #468
danenania wrote: post #265

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I don’t think aliens and magic belong in the same category though. Magic/supernatural by definition is contrary to physical laws and scientific understanding. But the existence of aliens would in no way contradict any physical laws or scientific consensus. It would be a shock, obviously, just like it was a shock when we discovered that other galaxies exist, or black holes, or that nuclear fission is possible. If inte…

Magic/ supernatural isn't unscientific by definition. We don't believe in it because there isn't anyone able to do those things for all of us to see. Science is defined by the scientific method and our curiosity to apply it not by our scepticism.

If it was real, it would not be called “supernatural”, by literal definition.

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Post by j0057 »

sambull wrote: post #359
j0057 wrote: post #203

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Sure, why not, what are we looking at though, some kind of microwave propulsion for spacecraft? Was a prototype ever built?

The patent Summary, "The present invention is directed to a craft using an inertial mass reduction device. The craft includes an inner resonant cavity wall, an outer resonant cavity, and microwave emitters. The outer resonant cavity wall and the inner resonant cavity wall form a resonant cavity. The microwave emitters create high frequency electromagnetic waves throughout the resonant cavity causing the outer resonan…

I read that too, that's why I asked. Here is an article about it: https://www.forbes.com/sites/arielcohen/2021/02/08/what-is-b... — this thing is supposed to enable faster than light travel, which needless to say is impossible according to our best understanding of the laws of physics. I suppose that is part as well of the great PSYOP for suppressing the truth.
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