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As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Things that fly seems to be in-scope with their training

Identifying what some aircraft in the distance is by sight, at night, is not in their training. Identifying that it is _something_ so as to avoid it, is, but identifying what it is, is not.

Patently untrue, learning to identify aircraft by shape for both IFF and situational awareness purposes is standard.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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These are all tropes about (((JEWS)) historically, ((NEW WORLD ORDER) is ((JEWS)). It's thinly veiled stuff to a lot of people. Coincidental here I'm sure, but it can raise the hackles. Especially 'secret fraternities', makes you think freemasons etc often used pejoratively by anti semites. Just shedding some light here not making any accusations.

Strawman fallacy that happens all the time. You said globalist, you must be a racist anti-semite! So sad to see such drivel. You want to talk about the real "New World Order" and globalists it can be done, with plenty of citations and sources, but you don't want to hear that (to be fair, most don't) and would rather label any mention of this very real set of conspiracies as something horrible in order to justify igno…

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Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Mick West's breakdowns of the Pentagon UAP videos was the nail in the coffin of this era of UFO hype for me. https://youtu.be/Le7Fqbsrrm8?t=665 These were supposed to be the smoking gun evidence. UFO believers inside the DoD and as high up as US Senators fought for years to get them declassified. As soon as they were public, they were all quickly identified as sensor glare, bokeh, or mis-understood perspective. More…

That explanation fails to account for the multiple other sensors that picked them up, including several different radar systems and the fact that multiple pilots witnessed them with their eyes. However the other sensor data are classified which makes it impossible to draw any conclusions.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Huh? Are you seriously asking why commercial airliners don’t have 4K GoPros to record UAP/UFOs?

I'm wondering why a multi-million dollar aircraft doesn't have a $10k imaging system when I put a $300 imaging system on my $30k car. If I'm willing to spend 1% to understand equipment damage then why would this logic not follow for a billion dollar fleet of aircraft? Like-minded drivers have caught amazing videos of meteors. Planes could do the same for supposedly legitimate UAP sightings.

What purpose would adding an imaging system serve? The purpose is obvious for your car, cars crash all the time. Planes rarely do and it seems we already get all the data we need when they do crash to fix and prevent that reason from happening again.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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There are plenty of explanations for these videos that don't involve alien species traveling multiple light years to troll American air force pilots, like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsEjV8DdSbs and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGzJ9dx3n4o .

Even one that the Navy itself patented.. https://patents.google.com/patent/US10144532B2/en

I dove into this guy Pais at one point and came out thinking he’s kind of a marginalized crackpot with pie in the sky theories. Another explanation would be that his patent applications are part of a psyop project.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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It's worth mentioning also the infamous go fast and swivel videos have been explained. And both revealed that several pilots we mislead by the same simple phenomena. And it wasn't a pilot who explained it but engineers who actually knew how the sensors worked.

Please provide references to this analysis. There are plenty of folks here who'd love to read this.

Gofast, FLIR and Gimbal all have very compelling explanations: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le7Fqbsrrm8

Mick West has reported on this all over the place.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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It would be differentiable in the same way any more advanced technology than what we have now would be. It will have been created through scientific research and engineering, just like our own technology. Not understanding how something works doesn’t make it magic.

> It will have been created through scientific research and engineering, just like our own technology. It seems a touch hubristic to assume that an advanced civilization with technological capabilities far exceeding our own would have used our processes and techniques to get there.

They’d have their own processes and techniques, but on some level they’d have to be discovering the properties of reality, then using that knowledge to create vessels that could travel between stars, slow down to visit planets, and do various other tricks that seem to defy physics as we know it (based on UAP observations). To me that’s still science and engineering even if it was done in completely different ways.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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There's a real problem with people being close-minded towards anything that seems fantastical. This includes scientists and other professionals who ought to know better. Obviously it's unscientific to jump to conclusions and assume that anything that doesn't make sense must be aliens or magic or whatever but at the same time, it's also unscientific to ignore physical observations just because they seem like something…

> There's a real problem with people being close-minded towards anything that seems fantastical. Two things: 1. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence; and 2. The burden of proof belongs to the one making the claim, not on the other side to refute the claim. Anything in the realm of "new physics" (eg claims such objects defy inertia and accelerate at a rate that would kill any person) or extraterrestial…

I am not making any claims about whether or not these phenomena are extraterrestrial, I truly have no idea. But suppose that there is a civilization that is dramatically more advanced than ours. Perhaps they have uncovered deeper laws of physics that allows them to develop technologies orders of magnitude more powerful than our own. To such a civilization, our technology might seem as rudimentary as stone age tools seem to us. We could say less about their technology than our distant ancestors could have said about ours.

This civilization could be so advanced that they have the means to communicate with us without our being able to measure it with our present technologies, but they could nevertheless influence people's thoughts much as the gravitational pull of the moon creates the tides. If this were true, their influence would likely be felt long before we had the technology to detect it. But once we did detect it, we would realize we have been under their influence for a long time (perhaps predating the formation of our civilization). We would also immediately feel silly for having hubristically assumed that we are the peak of intelligence.

We have these fantasies of colonizing mars and beyond and yet we fail to have the imagination to consider that perhaps it's all already been colonized. We could be the children of our interstellar ancestors. Perhaps much like we fantasize about sending some kind of seed of humanity to a terraformable planet, our ancestors already figured this out and we are the fruit of the seeds they sent out from their home eons ago.

I am not claiming that this is the truth (in fact I am sure what I wrote is wrong in some important ways that are beyond me) but it is just as extraordinary to me to assume that there isn't anything out there wildly more intelligent than us (or the most powerful ai we can dream up) as it is to assume that there isn't.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsEjV8DdSbs

It could be like a lens flare / bokeh that rotates with the camera, but that doesn't change the fact that it originated from a flying object. A camera artifact doesn't rule out that the camera was still tracking something, even if the remarks about it "rolling" and maneuvering were off base. Just as you'll see lens flare when you film the sun - the sun is real even though the flare streaks on video are artifacts.

You're right, the camera was tracking something: an airplane.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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I don’t think aliens and magic belong in the same category though. Magic/supernatural by definition is contrary to physical laws and scientific understanding. But the existence of aliens would in no way contradict any physical laws or scientific consensus. It would be a shock, obviously, just like it was a shock when we discovered that other galaxies exist, or black holes, or that nuclear fission is possible. If inte…

>But the existence of aliens would in no way contradict any physical laws or scientific consensus. The existence of aliens, sure. But the presence of aliens on Earth pretty much does. There's no reason to think FTL travel is possible, and it's economically unreasonable to think some species is going to invest in generation ships to cross the great interstellar gulfs just so that they can fuck around with pilots and a…

That would probably depend on the scale. I'm pretty sure, to the extent they could imagine anything, ants would find it unimaginable and economically absurd for any creature to spend monstrous (to them) amounts of energy just to fuck around with them 10 minutes and then leave.

For us, it's just another 5 years old.

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