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As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by likeabbas »

scotty79 wrote: post #95
likeabbas wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Multiple of the most sophisticated instruments for this purpose on the planet are capturing this data. If the US was flying F18s that misconstrued the range of a foreign adversary by over 20 nautical miles, that would be a huge story in of itself.

You trust the tech way too much to the point of not being able to confidently reject the impossible. This woderful US military tech tracked a guy in Afghanistan for a day and bombed him thinking that water he was carrying home to his children is explosive and he's a terrorist. It's not aliens.

I am not rejecting the possibility of this being human technology. to quote the former Deputy Secretary of Defense for Intelligence “The Alien Hypothesis currently best fits the facts”.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by itronitron »

robbiex88 wrote: post #32

If you haven't listened to it yet, highly recommend the Ryan Graves episode on the Joe Rogan Experience.

I used to occasionally watch JRE and at the time found some of the episodes to be interesting thought experiments. But then I watched one episode where the guest expert was talking about a topic in which I had enough familiarity to recognize that they were completely bullshitting their way through the interview and attempting to sound mysterious in order to avoid providing any factual information. Recalling the Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect [0], I concluded that every previous episode I had watched was equivalent BS and I haven't watched another one since.

0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Crichton#GellMannAmnes...

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by traverseda »

likeabbas wrote: post #105
mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems like strong evidence that the "tic tac" is not a flying object per se, but rather something like the focal point of a high-E-field laser? (Or a crossing point between two such beams?) If the object in question is not a physical object so much as a light show, it could undergo all sorts of impossible manouevres including instantaneous acceleration and even the appearance of exceeding the speed of light.

It absolutely could be an adversary spoofing our sensor systems. But, I would argue the testimonies of the 4 pilots that saw the object with their own eyes may rule that out (unless it was some kind of hologram). Whatever it is, we need to further study it because more and more military pilots are seeing them and their military exercises are being disrupted

A ball of super heated plasma would show up visually.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

likeabbas wrote: post #103
mrtksn wrote: post #85

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> This paper shows the tic tac video exhibited instantaneous acceleration to over 20,000 mph Would't it mean that the footage doesn't actually show real objects then? You see a Mona Lisa on the wall in your friends house, before you assume that your friend has the original or that Leonardo Da Vinci painted two of those and this is the other one you will need to go through many many other scenarios because you know a…

Nobody is throwing away all of the constructs of what we know. This may turn out to be sensor malfunction. But the DoD has over 300 events of unidentified objects that exhibit interesting flight characteristics. At the very least we should not be ignoring this data, but studying it deeply to figure out what it is. Either it’s a foreign adversary with advanced technology, an adversary that is spoofing our sensor syste…

Do you have any reason to suppose that we are ignoring it? Any reason to suppose that we are not studying it deeply?

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by j0057 »

likeabbas wrote: post #103
mrtksn wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This paper shows the tic tac video exhibited instantaneous acceleration to over 20,000 mph Would't it mean that the footage doesn't actually show real objects then? You see a Mona Lisa on the wall in your friends house, before you assume that your friend has the original or that Leonardo Da Vinci painted two of those and this is the other one you will need to go through many many other scenarios because you know a…

Nobody is throwing away all of the constructs of what we know. This may turn out to be sensor malfunction. But the DoD has over 300 events of unidentified objects that exhibit interesting flight characteristics. At the very least we should not be ignoring this data, but studying it deeply to figure out what it is. Either it’s a foreign adversary with advanced technology, an adversary that is spoofing our sensor syste…

There are plenty of explanations for these videos that don't involve alien species traveling multiple light years to troll American air force pilots, like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsEjV8DdSbs and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGzJ9dx3n4o.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by likeabbas »

noizejoy wrote: post #68
likeabbas wrote: post #18

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According to one of the pilots, there is a longer, classified video of the incident that shows the SA page and has the distance listed there. People make mistakes, but data doesn’t. And according to these pilots and the former head of the DoD UAP program, the data shows that there are craft moving in our airspace with impunity.

> People make mistakes, but data doesn’t. But data collection, storage, retrieval and/or interpretation may contain errors.

That’s why it’s important to look at all the reported cases to get a probabilistic measure. The 3 videos represent 2 cases that occurred. The DoD has over 300 unidentified cases currently. At least 18 exhibit flight characteristics that don’t seem possible.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by willis936 »

mach1ne wrote: post #86
gfodor wrote: post #22

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An autonomous monitoring system for galactic-scale existential risk bearing technologies would def have probes that monitored the technological development of remote civilizations.

I sometimes wonder if these galactic powers (if they exist) will prevent the creation of AGI.

If they don't then is that evidence that AGI is NBD?

To be clear: I don't think this is a good line of thinking from the beginning, so I'm not surprised when the conclusions are not useful.

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Post by rcme »

mr_sturd wrote: post #24
stevenhuang wrote: post #12

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They do, in fact all the time. You just don't hear about it because of stigma. See this NARCAP (civilian flight safety) report https://www.narcap.org/blog/narcaptr20 for a case where a FedEx flight crew documented an encounter with the commonly reported pulsating orb type anomaly. There is a video. Observed behavior: > The UAP/Light came from above and stopped/hovered near FL37, about the same altitude as the aircraf…

The pulsating in the NARCAP video looks like the camera trying and failing to find focus on anything that it's looking at. Interesting though.

Were their eyes failing to auto-focus? Did you watch the video with sound? They're talking about it pulsating as they film it.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by cma »

likeabbas wrote: post #18
dharmab wrote: post #14

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The SA page on the MPCD is very small and cluttered. Is it possible that the pilots made a mistake?

According to one of the pilots, there is a longer, classified video of the incident that shows the SA page and has the distance listed there. People make mistakes, but data doesn’t. And according to these pilots and the former head of the DoD UAP program, the data shows that there are craft moving in our airspace with impunity.

Wouldn't that be revealing classified info? Probably no punishment if the "classified info" is made up as a prank so he can freely claim it if it isn't real but would be risking punishment if it was.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by mitthrowaway2 »

likeabbas wrote: post #105
mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems like strong evidence that the "tic tac" is not a flying object per se, but rather something like the focal point of a high-E-field laser? (Or a crossing point between two such beams?) If the object in question is not a physical object so much as a light show, it could undergo all sorts of impossible manouevres including instantaneous acceleration and even the appearance of exceeding the speed of light.

It absolutely could be an adversary spoofing our sensor systems. But, I would argue the testimonies of the 4 pilots that saw the object with their own eyes may rule that out (unless it was some kind of hologram). Whatever it is, we need to further study it because more and more military pilots are seeing them and their military exercises are being disrupted

That's the thing! A high-intensity laser (or microwave, etc) can certainly produce a visible phenomenon, through heating or ionization of the air, scattering, etc. It wouldn't necessarily be visible through sensors only.
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