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As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by mbnull »

stevenhuang wrote: post #7

Glad to see this topic finally discussed here. With the shift in government posture and establishment of the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office ( https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/310005... ) it will only be a matter of time until more service members come forward with their experiences and enough data is gathered to ascertain the inevitable: these craft are real and we've been visited by nonhum…

I do remember the comment thread on the 2017 time article here on hn. Opinions already have changed considerably in the last 5 years. It also appears as if the process of disseminating information still accelerates (with promis coming out as experiencers and so on). I can only advise everyone to consider C.G. Jung and read Jaques Vallee.

This situation is very complicated, but not at all bad in the end. As far as I can tell, nobody got the real answers, not the pentagon, nor the religions.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by marmetio »

likeabbas wrote: post #40
marmetio wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you want people to get out of those analyses? They quantify the incredible observations, but they don't explain how those observations could be possible, nor rule out other explanations.

At least in terms of the 3 navy video, I would argue that the data purports, with high confidence, that the craft did exhibit flight performance characteristics that we cannot explain with modern technology or physics. And these are just the three videos that got released. Many people with security clearances have come forward and said the AATIP database has hundreds videos (with the classified sensor data) of craft…

We had AATIP and now we have UAPTF. They do stuff and brief Congress about it. Why is that not good enough?

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by throwbmw »

marmetio wrote: post #38
likeabbas wrote: post #17

I really wish people would take a look at the extensive analysis some scientists have done to show the 3 navy videos of UAP are showing flight characteristics that defy our laws of physics. This guy on Twitter has done a fantastic job to show the GIMBAL object performed what we can only describe as a “vertical u-turn” https://twitter.com/the_cholla/status/1504855791060148224?s=... This paper shows the tic tac video e…

What do you want people to get out of those analyses? They quantify the incredible observations, but they don't explain how those observations could be possible, nor rule out other explanations.

Many of the characteristics of these beings are consistent with Jinns as described in Islamic teachings. Initially described in Quran and further elaborated in Hadith and then by various Sufi masters. Sufi masters engagement with these creatures was through intense meditation. And according to their estimates there may be more than 5 billion of them.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by marmetio »

throwbmw wrote: post #43
marmetio wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you want people to get out of those analyses? They quantify the incredible observations, but they don't explain how those observations could be possible, nor rule out other explanations.

Many of the characteristics of these beings are consistent with Jinns as described in Islamic teachings. Initially described in Quran and further elaborated in Hadith and then by various Sufi masters. Sufi masters engagement with these creatures was through intense meditation. And according to their estimates there may be more than 5 billion of them.

Many of the characteristics of Qui-Gon Jinn are consistent with midi-chloreans as described in Star Wars teachings. Initially described in The Phantom Menace and further elaborated in the Expanded Universe and then by various Jedi masters. Jedi masters engagement with these creatures was through intense meditation. And according to their estimates there may be more than 5 billion of them.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by shortcake27 »

stevenhuang wrote: post #12
hwillis wrote: post #6

Why don't commercial pilots report the same things? I believe they have far more time in the air. It seems very, very unlikely aliens would have any interest in our military capability. Even ignoring the technological implications of interstellar flight or the ability to enter our atmosphere without being detected, these objects are apparently massively more capable than any kind of vehicle we have. To them a fighter…

They do, in fact all the time. You just don't hear about it because of stigma. See this NARCAP (civilian flight safety) report https://www.narcap.org/blog/narcaptr20 for a case where a FedEx flight crew documented an encounter with the commonly reported pulsating orb type anomaly. There is a video. Observed behavior: > The UAP/Light came from above and stopped/hovered near FL37, about the same altitude as the aircraf…

Here’s the thing that gets me. A 767 costs hundreds of millions of dollars and yet I’ve filmed better videos with a potato. Why is the pilot filming with his smartphone? Why does the plane not have a sophisticated high-quality purpose-built camera system that can record phenomena like this?

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by llamaLord »

motohagiography wrote: post #21

It makes sense to slow roll UAP/ET phenomena anyway, as they probably understand that beings of an emerging intelligence tend to align to whatever they percieve as powerful (just as other animals become dependent on human garbage dumps) and adapt to the dependency instead of evolving and developing themselves freely according to their natures. The dependency arrests their development, and ethically, who wants to be a…

This conversation is going to happen pretty soon me thinks, just about computers running AI models rather then animals.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by yunohn »

shortcake27 wrote: post #45
stevenhuang wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They do, in fact all the time. You just don't hear about it because of stigma. See this NARCAP (civilian flight safety) report https://www.narcap.org/blog/narcaptr20 for a case where a FedEx flight crew documented an encounter with the commonly reported pulsating orb type anomaly. There is a video. Observed behavior: > The UAP/Light came from above and stopped/hovered near FL37, about the same altitude as the aircraf…

Here’s the thing that gets me. A 767 costs hundreds of millions of dollars and yet I’ve filmed better videos with a potato. Why is the pilot filming with his smartphone? Why does the plane not have a sophisticated high-quality purpose-built camera system that can record phenomena like this?

Huh? Are you seriously asking why commercial airliners don’t have 4K GoPros to record UAP/UFOs?

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by llamaLord »

dilippkumar wrote: post #25
3pac wrote: post #3

I saw a UFO maybe 12-13 years ago. It did not look like anything a human would design, even with advanced technology. It looked something like the oblong silver blob in The Flight of the Navigator, just hanging there, "much in the way that a brick doesn't." It must have been 5 km away so it would have been pretty large. It was a breezy overcast day with low clouds, and the moving clouds obscured but never completely…

Aha! You’re the person I’ve been searching for. A person who has seen something that is incredible (literally) and has a hard time following up because of a complete absence of data/evidence to back up your claim. Going back to your experience, what tools do you wish we as a society had that would help us document your experience? Did you try to document your experience? What were the barriers you encountered? If you…

Can't tell if being sarcastic or not... But the vast majority of us carry an at least 12 megapixel camera in our pocket literally everywhere we go now...

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by ttpphd »

likeabbas wrote: post #11
ttpphd wrote: post #4

This is a great reminder that I need to bookmark metabunk.org, where Mick West and others go into enormous detail about the UAP evidence, including simulations and reconstructions.

Mick and others do a great job. But they often leave key details out or selectively choose facts. For example, with the GIMBAL video, the pilots are on record saying the object is 6-8 nautical miles (NM) away as they saw on their Situation Awareness (SA) Screen. Mick’s attempt to debunk the GIMBAL rotation asserts that the object was 30 NM away, and he refuses to look at other evidence that contradicts the statement.…

>and he refuses to look at other evidence that contradicts the statement.

Hmm I'm doubtful about this. It would be very unlike him. I found his explanation quite illuminating, and the pilot he had a back and forth with was interesting.

It's been a few months since I checked but last I did, I was satisfied that Mick made a good case for why the others are wrong about the distance.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by likeabbas »

marmetio wrote: post #42
likeabbas wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least in terms of the 3 navy video, I would argue that the data purports, with high confidence, that the craft did exhibit flight performance characteristics that we cannot explain with modern technology or physics. And these are just the three videos that got released. Many people with security clearances have come forward and said the AATIP database has hundreds videos (with the classified sensor data) of craft…

We had AATIP and now we have UAPTF. They do stuff and brief Congress about it. Why is that not good enough?

UAPTF is now AARO. But it’s not enough for congress to be briefed. If what we’re seeing is a better understanding of physics, than this would affect everyone’s lives
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