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Wyoming senators want to phase out sales of EVs

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Re: Wyoming senators want to phase out sales of EVs

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Post by phpisthebest »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #65
phpisthebest wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>being able to measure battery wear definitively That is the problem right there, I do not believe they can do that that definitively, and there are more than a few horror stories already where a person buys a Used EV, the battery tested fine on purchase, but then just a few months later a cell goes out... and since you can not just replace a single cell well now they have a $20,000 bill often more than the car is w…

> and since you can not just replace a single cell well now they have a $20,000 bill often more than the car is worth If you are referring to the conservative-popular meme that I think you are, that wasn’t even for an BEV, but an old PHEV whose (fairly small) battery was out of production. > EV manufacturers are trying (often successfully) at blocking these 3rd party repair options and making the cost to repair an EV…

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Re: Wyoming senators want to phase out sales of EVs

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Post by mynameisvlad »

rsj_hn wrote: post #70
mynameisvlad wrote: post #58

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Choosing a 13 year old clearly reblogged article from an organization known as “24/7 Wall St.” (with a dot and all) as your source is an interesting way to provide a credible source showing the current opinion of everyone in the US regarding California. It’s not even a survey, which would have been obvious had you spent the time to actually look at it rather than cherry-pick the first result off Google which lined up…

I gave multiple examples related to energy, education, environmental policy, crime, etc, and urged you to learn how to use a search engine to look up surveys. You fixated maniacally on not liking that the word "wall st" appeared in a blog title. FYI, California students have among the lowest reading comprehension scores (and math scores) in the nation.

I fixated on the provenance and methodology of the single source you provided.

Your opinions are, once again, just that. They’re not facts, regardless how convincing you try sounding. I’m not going to respond to them because I made my thoughts on them clear already. You’re entitled to them, but they’re not anything except that.

> You wouldn't happen to be from California, by any chance? I can see the ninja-like reading comprehension and reasoning skills are strong here.

I’m not, but nice ad hominem you tried there. Not that my words would be worth more or less based on where I live, but that clearly matters a lot to you.

Re: Wyoming senators want to phase out sales of EVs

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Post by amalgamated_inc »

throwaway46829 wrote: post #38
amalgamated_inc wrote: post #19

Funny how this is an outrage, but the opposite is totally cool. I assume they are just pointing out this blatant hypocrisy with this move :)

It's not hypocrisy, the other side isn't now saying "we need freedom of choice" they're still fine with the principle of banning things, they just want the other thing banned, simple disagreement. Another example, politician A makes a personal attack, politician B says personal attacks are wrong and then makes one themselves = hypocrisy. If they just reply with another personal attack without the moral objection = no…

Ok, banning ICE is not hypocritical then, but complaining about this is :)

Re: Wyoming senators want to phase out sales of EVs

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Post by amalgamated_inc »

zuminator wrote: post #37
amalgamated_inc wrote: post #19

Funny how this is an outrage, but the opposite is totally cool. I assume they are just pointing out this blatant hypocrisy with this move :)

Maybe you could say double standards, but... hypocrisy? The side making pro-EV laws has never claimed love for unfettered free markets so where's the hypocrisy?

Sure ok, you're right.

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Post by Fatnino »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #36
oceanplexian wrote: post #28

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It will take several decades to upgrade the grid to handle EVs. Look at places like California where the grid can’t even keep up with air conditioners, and they want to charge tens of millions of cars with it? Building power plants and electric infrastructure takes decades. And if electricity is less reliable and more expensive than gasoline (which is what will inevitably happen in any market where demand is greater…

You may be right, but as I understand it, charging is cheaper if limited to the evening/night and demand on the grid is much, much lower.

When everyone is charging their cars at night demand will probably be higher than by day.

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Post by moistly »

WRT ICE vehicles no longer being manufactured: ain’t happening. Purchasing or licensing an ICE vehicle may become a reality in some (wealthy) countries. It is not happening in third-world countries, eg. Mexico. Simple fact is that the utilities infrastructure is not there.

Walking through any working-class neighbourhood shows it, even in relatively modern cities like Puerto Vallarta, let alone looking at any of the small towns scattered across the nation. As’ anyone living in a small town along the popular Costa Alegre: brown-outs and black-outs are common. There is no capacity whatsoever to start hooking up charging stations for the population.

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Post by anonymousiam »

JohnBooty wrote: post #55
ohjeez wrote: post #52

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Well as the OP on this one, I contemplated changing the headline (which was too long in any case)... but in other circumstances we get in trouble with a community for changing a headline to opine. I err on the side of "just report what the publication says" and let others (appropriately) criticize bad headline-writing.

Changing the headline is not encouraged/allowed on HN; the mods will usually (always?) change it to reflect the actual one. The issue here is that you linked to a low quality source. As I said, this is newsworthy IMO. But surely there was a better quality source you might have chosen.

LOL. Teslarati is a "low quality source"?

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Post by [deleted] »

ufmace wrote: post #64
kurthr wrote: post #12

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It's a hilarious and performative fall from grace from those who idolize free markets, say the government should not "pick winners", and rail against the nanny state.

Or rather, they correctly determined that their opponents were totalitarians who fully intend to use their support for liberty to destroy them, and are acting accordingly. This is kind of like finding someone who supports non-violence, physically choking him, and then sneering at him for going against his principles when he tries to fight back. Maybe try listening to and understanding people instead of sneering at th…

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Re: Wyoming senators want to phase out sales of EVs

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Post by klyrs »

luma wrote: post #2

Performative legislation by the party you think would do such a thing but imagine if they actually passed it. What happens when it's illegal to buy the only cars that are available for sale?

> What happens when it's illegal to buy the only cars that are available for sale?

Wyoming will start to look like Cuba: people will drive antiques, and local machinists will crop up to reproduce out-of-stock parts. They've got oil, so presumably they could even maintain their own gasoline supply through corporate welfare. As the second least-populous (people per square mile) state in the union, I think they could even pull it off.

Richer Wyomingians will be able to buy electric cars out of state, but if it gets that far, I suspect such a choice would bear substantial physical risk even driving around in one (which is already a nuisance in some places).

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